Details that give full overlay a more 'built in' appearance?

5yearslaterSeptember 21, 2012

I am definitely going with framed full overlay bottom cabinets/drawers, and maybe top cabinets also, although I am considering mixing by having the top inset.

Some overlay kitchens appear more finished or built in to my eye and I am wondering if there are particular details to request for that look. For example, I think some top cabinet runs have a bottom rail that looks flush, while others are inset or molding and to my eye the flush may look more built in.

I also believe I've seen some discussion of end panels being inset rather than overlay to contribute to that built in feeling.

Not sure if I am making any sense but my searches haven't led me to clarify these thoughts so I am hoping you kind folks will be able to make some sense of this question.

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One thing I can think of is for any crown to be pulled out and flush with the doors, not flush with the frame.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 2:15PM
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If you are willing to lose a lot of space, you can use fillers and "build in" the full overlay cabinets to look inset, but there isn't much point in my book. You'll be buying extra material plus paying the installer a lot of extra labor and you might as well have put that money into buying the inset that you love in the first place.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 2:21PM
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live_wire - you are right, not much point in loosing the space to the faux inset.

local eater - I haven't focused on how the crown is installed before. I'll look out for this.


    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 2:30PM
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I guess it depends on your definition of 'built-in'.

In my full overlay kitchen, the uppers don't have a separate light rail molding applied after the fact. Instead, my cab maker makes the bottom part of the cab box deeper than the inside cavity so there is room under the cab to hide the UC lights.

I have end panels on the upper cab ends, peninsula end, and on three sides of the island. The base cab ends extend to the floor instead of showing a toe kick. I do have a toe kick on the working side of the island.

Does that help?

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 2:33PM
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breezy - when you open your uppers the bottom shelf then is above what would be the rail? So in essence the cab door is built longer to cover the rail?

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 2:57PM
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I did the opposite of Breezy. I wanted a chunky light rail, which was added to the bottom of the cabs. Claire and Phil's kitchen on 'Modern Family' has an extra chunky one and I liked the look.

The Dunphy's kitchen:

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 3:09PM
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Sometimes people equate a more ornate furniture style to be more built-in looking. YMMV.

Essentially, the bottom shelf of my uppers (only two sets) is both the shelf and the rail. The cab door is built longer to cover the rail. If you look hard, you can see more the construction better on the open shelving in the right corner upper. The doored cabs in that set looks just like that, except with a door over it. See how the bottom rail/shelf is thicker than the shelves? Maybe if you click on the pic, you can enlarge it in my photobucket. Not sure.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 3:10PM
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mayflower - that is unique, I haven't seen that chunky rail. It looks great .

Breezy - maybe what I am picking up is a sense that results from a kitchen having more details that make the cabinets look more 'finished' so maybe I'm just struggling a bit on what details to focus on to achieve that same sense?

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 3:38PM
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Oh, I see. I think end panels and crown are the two biggest elements that make a kitchen look finished.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2012 at 5:29PM
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