Siminton Asure vs. Reflection 5500

TheStraightDopeDecember 5, 2012

Narrowed my choices to replace old windows to Simonton. I came across the "Siminton Insight" sales bulletin online which encourages promotion of the 5500 series as the "best" model, but I didn't get the impression it was a better quality window worth the extra dollar difference. My question is other than the narrow style, and options, is there any difference between basic Asure and basic 5500 in how constructed or the energy efficiency? Seems like I could go with the Asure with prosheild and basically get a 5500 at better cost. I dont need the 5500 options. Any insights?

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Windows on Washington Ltd

Are those the only two windows you are considering?

Both are pretty solid units and while the frame on the 5500 is stronger and thicker (a bit too much for that matter), the performance of the two units in question should be very similar given identical glass and frame options.

What the Asure (previously called the 5050) does do is give you a narrower profile with more glass.

That being said, the 5050 was more often used for rental and property flippers in our market. I know that several people have used it previously because of the narrow profile but given the positioning in the Simonton line, it was their opening and entry level window.

There are windows out there that will have better performance numbers in them while still maintaining that narrow profile. Have you looked at any of them?

Funniest part of the Asure brochure was this obvious gaff by the editor to not see the picture of the puppy getting ready to drop something in the front yard. This was in the brochure....not kidding.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 8:24AM
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TheStraightDope

I thought the Simonton marketing materials took a humorous approach. I wonder if that was intentional! I looked at big box stores (Anderson/Pella). I live in the hottest region in the US. I have an old wood siding home with 33 windows, so cost is a factor. What other windows would you suggest for DIY?

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 9:02AM
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mmarse1

the Simonton Assure previously called the 5050 is simontons entry level offering and used mostly for rental properties and house flippers as my colleague alluded to. ; the simonton assure is not geared toward the homeowner looking for a well designed/ engineered window .

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 9:07AM
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I am not sure I would put the Asure in any large openings in a hot climate.

Probably want to stay with the 5500 and opt for sash reinforcement.

DIY windows are a tricky bunch. Of the big box store ones, Simonton (upper level) is probably as good as any.

After that, check with your local supply houses.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 9:36AM
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TheStraightDope

Good to know. Sounds like the Asure might warp on a large window. When you say "upper, " is that a 5500 or something else? My largest window is (2) 70"x36" connected in the middle. Supply house is less exspensive. Is there another brand or series you recommend?

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 10:15AM
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Windows on Washington Ltd

Where is the home located?

5500, 9800, and Prism Platinum are Simonton's upper lines.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 1:24PM
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HomeSealed

Simonton is one of the better products that you'll find widely available for DIY. Check with some supply houses and/or local dealers that may sell to DIY'ers. Top products on my list include Okna, Himark, Softlite, Sunrise, Homeguard, and Polaris.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 1:31PM
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TheStraightDope

Thanks for the input everyone. I'm in the gulfcoast area. I'll see if the other brands are in my area.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 3:35PM
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TheStraightDope

Ok. So, it looks like the 5500 double hung base model for about $250 ea. in the Gulfcoast market with self installation. Is this a good deal or are my expectations way off on what a really good window should cost. From what I have read on other forumns, should I be looking at reinforced sashes and foam filled cavaties?

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 5:14PM
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Windows on Washington Ltd

Reinforcement is a nice option on the larger windows if the thickness on the sashes isn't super high.

Foam filled is not a must but it is nice in some cases.

That seems like a very aggressive price.

Get it with Low-e 366 in your case.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 5:19PM
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TheStraightDope

I think it was 366 glass as the 366 combo sounds familiar. What would be a fair price range for the base 5500? The 366 glass? The reinforced sash?

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 6:21PM
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HomeSealed

Sounds like a good price. The 366 should not add a ton, although in your area he might have included that in the quote already.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 6:55PM
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TheStraightDope

@Windowson Washington. I may have misunderstood "aggresive price point." Did you mean the price was high or low? I am guessing low based on Homesealed's post.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 7:28PM
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Windows on Washington Ltd

Good price.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2012 at 6:51AM
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