Box fill problem

ecrannyMay 3, 2010

I am trying to find octagonal boxes to install luminaires, and according to code, I need at least 4 inch by 1 1/2 inch boxes to accomodate the wiring. I went to HD and all I could find are 3 1/2 inch boxes (but they are marked as 4"). Lowes didn't have any either. Does anybody know where I can get 4 inch lighting boxes?

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joed

Tell us what you are trying to stuff into this box.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 8:28AM
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ecranny

I am trying to install multiple boxes, some will have a single 14/2 NM cable, some will have 2 cables (1 in 1 out) with internal clamps, 1 will have 2 cables and a bell transformer wires.... I know how to calculate the required box size, and I know that 4 inch by 1 1/2 inch octagonal boxes will be just fine. However, I can't find any 4 inch boxes. All the boxes I can find are 3 1/2 inches across, even though the store label says they are 4 inches....

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 10:39AM
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normel

Don't worry about what the actual measurement is, the boxes are listed as 4x1.5in... this is a standard "trade size" and the volume is 15.5 cu.in. If the volume of this box is adequate, you can use it.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 12:02PM
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ecranny

Here is an another question. Since Table 314.16(A) of the NEC mentions 4 inch by 1 1/4 octagonal boxes, but nothing smaller, why would HD and Lowes not carry the 4 inch boxes, but only 3 1/2 inch and smaller?

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 12:08PM
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kudzu9

There are many electrical components that are available in electrical supply houses that are not routinely carried by the big box stores. I'm still not clear why you think you need really large boxes with your modest box fill requirements.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 12:38PM
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joed

Octragon boxes and round boxes only come in one size that have seen. The size that fits under a light fixture or fan properly. Anything bigger wuld hang out of the cover.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 1:50PM
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ecranny

kudzu9: I simply wanted to use a box that is listed in the NEC table, it is not that I want a really large one - in fact I want the mid-sized one because the smallest one is too small....

normel: Thank you for the explantion - to make sure I understand correctly, the NEC indicates 4 inches, but in fact this is a 'trade size' and the actual box is 3.5 inches accross (interestingly it is close to 4" diagonally)

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 3:31PM
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kudzu9

ecranny-
The boxes you buy at Home Depot are code compliant. You just need to know the cubic inches of the box and comply with the box fill numbers for various gauges of wire, etc.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2010 at 8:46PM
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