urgent advised needed on protecting outdoor mosiac project

mosayitloudNovember 15, 2013

Hi there,

Im pretty new to the whole mosiacing thing, but recently started an art job which required me to continue an outdoor project commissioned for a local childrens centre.

We have been creating mosiacs, using 8mm ply, no more nails to fix the mirror and tiles, water proof grout and a grout sealer. the finished pieces will then be fixed to a larger 18mm ply board surounded by more grout, and screwed to the wall, which is outdoors, but in a semi covered area.

My concern is will this be enough to prevent the grout eroding over time, and or the tiles falling off.

The covered area is above an area for the parents to store their buggies, so if even one of the tiles were to fall off into them it could have really serious consequences.

There have been a few raised eyebrows at the use of no more nails, will this be strong enough to hold over time.

ALSO we've had some trouble getting the grout to stick to the sides of the ply, is this because it is more pourous and therefore sucking the moisture out of the grout? is there anyway to prime the boards prior to grouting? And if not does it matter if the whole piece is not covered and if it does, could we maybe varnish the sides?)

Really should have thought this through a bit more before starting, a lot of people have worked on this piece, so it would be a real shame to have to scrap it, any advice would be graciously received!

Kind regards loud!

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wackyweeder

The no more nails stuff I looked at and it seems like silicone caulk or some equivalent and that should be fine. by "ply" do you mean plywood? Plywood is a big no no for outdoors. even if primed and sealed it shrinks and swells with environmental changes and that can cause your grout to come off or your tess to pop off. If not sealed, yes it can suck the moisture out of your grout. Being in a covered area will extend the life of the piece, but your piece would be far better off indoors.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2013 at 7:45PM
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silvamae

I hesitated to reply to this one, because mosaic on plywood outdoors is a bad idea, and from what you said, I take it that the mosaic has already been done, or at least a lot of it has. Is that correct? If there's anyway to transfer it to another substrate, then that's what you need to do. The outdoor sign I linked to below is done on Wedi board, which is weatherproof and does not warp. Then it was bolted to plywood, reason being that a plywood sign already existed and had the hanging mechanism already installed, so it worked out well to do it that way. But the tile mosaic was glued to Wedi, not plywood. I didn't try to get any tiles to stick to the edges of the Wedi; I covered the edges of the Wedi with thinset and then painted the edges of the Wedi and the plywood behind it with gloss Rustoleum enamel paint. The sign has held up extremely well.

Now, if you have already glued mosaic work onto plywood, the only advice I can give is to seal your grout with Dupont outdoor grout sealer - saturate it well - and paint the edges thoroughly, then go back and check the work every year or so, looking for loose pieces.

Since the work is on a wall (vertical surface) and not a horizontal surface (like a table or bench) the mosaic has a better chance of surviving. However, you need to just expect it to eventually fail or have to be repaired periodically.

I sealed a wood table with a marine sealant, top and bottom, then mosaiced it, the client left it outside, and the mosaic came off in sheets; I had to re-do the work on a piece of Hardiboard.

Here is a link that might be useful: Silva's blog, South Austin Music sign

    Bookmark   November 15, 2013 at 9:02PM
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nicethyme

yep, sad to say, you wrote the key word when you said "more porous" all the other choices in adhesives and grout and sealants won't matter. wood for outdoor mosaic is never good even in under cover, it will absorb the humidity and swell and degrade. I'm so sorry

    Bookmark   November 20, 2013 at 9:31AM
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