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joe_mnNovember 6, 2011

Mpls MN. Need 2 casement windows. 50Wx30H. 2x4 wall. Lower level of house. North facing. Need to open. Really want high R window. Any brands/models besides " no big box store"? I will install.

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mmarse1

If you do the install, you are excluding yourself from the higher quality brands which usually require an authorized dealer to do the installation. Any reason why you dont want to pay a little extra to have a real pro do the install?

    Bookmark   November 6, 2011 at 3:35PM
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joe_mn

will a pro even want to put in 2 ground level windows. dont even need a ladder. bet they would love that install. actually i have opened windows perhaps 3 times in a decade. they are never opened. might as well be single pane non-operating. no screen, no hardware. but, they have to be egress windows. so a avg big box window is 400 and a really nice pro window is 1000. will i ever make up the slight increase in utilities that a cheapo window will result in?

    Bookmark   November 6, 2011 at 7:47PM
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GulfBreezeWindows

"high end" windows are available through certian distributers. You either just need to find one in your area, or find one that will ship.

Brands like: Gorell, Softlite, PGT etc.

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 5:54PM
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mmarse1

If you spend 400 at a big box store ands then need to replace it in 2 years because it leaks air and is warped you will be paying more than 1000.. So getting a true pro is worth it.

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 8:36PM
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joe_mn

How do I find a pro window?call around? Use Internet?

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 10:51AM
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skydawggy

I'd start by asking friends, neighbors and other people you associate with. If you know of a few brands you would like to look at, call the manufacturer and ask for a dealer. You can also use services such as Angies List. Once you have found a company and a window you like, ask for references and then call them and ask if you can come by and look at the window installed.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 10:59AM
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joe_mn

Lowes has stock vinyl windows. 4x2.5 single pane operating for $100. My lower level is garden level. Has lower cinderblock wall portion and 2x4 upper wood wall so I could build out wood section to get 6-8" wall thickness. Than add 2nd window in each opening for "double windows". Awesome. Double R value for $200 per opening. Never open anyway. Wall is on 20' wide so it's not much to frame out. A few studs, some sheetrock and bam. Super insulated north wall with see thru windows.

    Bookmark   December 12, 2011 at 5:08PM
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skydawggy

Why would you want single pane glass in Mn.? Even if it's just a basement window the odds are you will experience a lot on condensation.

    Bookmark   December 12, 2011 at 5:28PM
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HomeSealed

+1 to skdawggy's comments. That setup is not advisable imo.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 12:58PM
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millworkman

You start out by saying you want a "Really want high R window" and now your speaking of using Single Pane in Minnesota? You really need to figure out what your doing.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 1:24PM
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joe_mn

I meant to say 1 piece of glass. A non-divided window unit. A "picture" window. Get it? What's the R value on a budget thermopane unit? Now get a premium window. What is the heat loss thru the glass? We are talking 10+ sq/ ft of glass. I envision using 2 separate window units in single rough opening. Making a sandwich.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 1:55PM
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skydawggy

So you are planning on installing 2 double pane glass picture windows into the same opening? If so, I would not advise that. There is a very good chance moisture will get between them and cause fogging. The moisture can and will over time create some pretty serious problems with mold etc.

Is saving a couple of dollars that important to you?

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 2:02PM
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millworkman

Then you say "but, they have to be egress windows", fixed or picture windows are not egress windows!

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 3:00PM
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skydawggy

Good point Millworkman. I hadn't read that post for a few days and forgot they have to be egress windows. Picture windows will definitely not qualify. In fact the only window that will fit in that size opening and meet egress requirements is going to be a casement window. That's assuming there is room to open it.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 6:53PM
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joe_mn

there are no bedrooms in lower level. its a rec room. code says you can have fixed windows. vinyl replacement windows have no jamb extension to speak of. so they are "thin". i bet you could put 2 units in a 2x6 framed wall with no mods. except the inside window would be mounted with the nail flange on the interior. odd but doable. i bet a thermopane replacement panel in the 3x4 size would be more than $120 which is lowes price for entire window. i am just throwing out ideas. yes they sound crazy.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 3:56PM
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skydawggy

Good luck with that one. Let us know how it worked out in a few years. Hopefully you won't do any unrepairable damage to your walls.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 9:38PM
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HomeSealed

Seriously Joe, this is not a good idea. None of us giving advice here can profit in anyway, so take it fwiw. Please don't do this. The best case scenario is that you will provide a good laugh (or complete bewilderment) to the home inspector that comes through some day when you sell your home... The worst case is disastrous failure in the form of built up moisture which could infiltrate the walls, etc and cause significantly more damage.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 11:17PM
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joe_mn

So a fixed window leaks air? Add a 2nd window which is just as leaky and the warm moist air will condense on the inside of window #2? Even if both windows are fairly well built new units?

    Bookmark   December 15, 2011 at 12:30PM
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