Replacing slider with French doors

alexh1000October 11, 2010

Hi,

I have an 8' tall by 6' wide contractor special Viking slider that's getting old. I have been upgrading all the finish work in my house to a high level myself so I'd like to get a quality unit.

I'd like a traditional look with divided lights (simulated, but with interior grill), stain grade option on the inside, low-e optimized for hot climates (south facing door) and excellent weather proofing (door exposed to weather). Exterior material not important (longevity primary importance - exterior of house is stucco). Screen is a must.

I was looking at Pella but noticed a lot of negative comments here. I thought Pella was middle of the road and that's kind of where I want to be. If I decide to go stain grade on the interior I know I will be in a different league. No doubt Marvin is top of the line. I thought Jeld-Wen was lower end but it looks pretty good on the web site.

Any suggestions on which brand to start out on?

Thanks

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millworkman

Personally I would stick with either Marvin or Kolbe & Kolbe. If you have an extreme weather exposure your best bet is to stick with one of the best. You may get lucky with a lower quality unit but you may also get unlucky. I have found through my years that with even the best double doors they are not 100% weather tight, just the nature of the beast with that many moving parts. If you can you may want to consider building an overhang to reduce the weather exposure or stay with a slider using simulated divided lites and a LIFT & SLIDE type of unit with a low profile drainage track. This type of unit would be the tightest as the weight of the panel sits directly on the floor and on lower track and the drainage track would weep out any water that gets in the track system.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2010 at 8:59AM
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alexh1000

I hear you on the weather. I don't have extreme weather but my slider roller froze and the unit was so difficult to get out (frame was overshimmed on top or header sagged) that I damaged the track. The moral of the story here is to ALWAYS specify full stainless roller assemblies.

If i could pick your brain on a couple of install questions -

My current slider is installed w/o using a nailing fin and there is a stucco bumpout. based on what you see in the picture, would you specify a replacement unit the same size (~96"Hx71.5"W)? Some stucco damage is inevitable and that fine but if I have to rip off lots of stucco I may rethink this.

The "jamb" on the current unit is proud of the drywall about 1/2" and the casing trim butts against it. Obviously this is not standard for interior doors/windows. I suppose you can specify the jamb to be whatever width you want so if the jamb is flush with the drywall a standard casing placement (1/4" jamb reveal) could be used?

As you can see from the pic the bottom track is much narrower than the jamb. A french door will have a threshold more like a standard door. Would you expect that the tile would have to be cut to allow for a wider threshold?

Thanks

    Bookmark   October 12, 2010 at 4:14PM
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alexh1000

I'd like to replace a slider with a patio door and I may have it done but I'd like to clear up some questions -

My current slider is installed w/o using a nailing fin and there is a stucco bumpout. based on what you see in the picture, would you specify a replacement unit the same size (96"Hx72"W)? Some stucco damage is inevitable and that's fine but if I have to rip off the bumpout and/or lots of stucco I may rethink this.

The "jamb" on the current unit is proud of the drywall about 1/2" and the casing trim butts against it. Obviously this is not standard for interior doors/windows. I suppose you can specify the jamb to be whatever width you want so if the jamb is flush with the drywall a standard casing placement (3/16" jamb reveal) could be used?

As you can see from the pic below the bottom track is much narrower than the jamb. A french door will have a threshold more like a standard door. Would you expect that the tile would have to be cut to allow for a wider threshold (subfloor is slab)?

None of the websites give much detail on the threshold so I'll have to see one in person to verify.

Thanks

    Bookmark   October 13, 2010 at 10:36PM
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