2 quotes - pella Architectural, Don Young

DallasAuburnAugust 24, 2010

All the don youngs are in color adobe. I honestly like the DY windows a lot, but am considering the Pella only because I like the wood interior. The DYC windows are adobe on the outside and the inside, and that does not appeal to me.

All numbers are for windows alone, no install included. Install would be the same in both cases (same installer). We are in Dallas.

Which would you choose? $5k is a lot of money, but just want to consider both options.

Thank you in advance.

Don Young:

SIZE DESCRIPTION PRICE

6050 1A 1B: Casement, SDL (6/6 LITE) twin unit $1,075.38

3050 1C: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $395.47

3050 1D: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $395.47

3050 1E: Hung, no divided light $337.92

3050 1F: Hung, no divided light $337.92

3030 1G: Fixed, no divided light $331.78

2026 1H: Fixed, no divided light $171.50

3050 1J: Picture / Awning, no divided light $725.74

3050 1K: Picture / Awning, no divided light $725.74

3050 1L: Picture / Awning, no divided light $725.74

2036 1M: Hung, no divided light $232.32

3030 1N: Fixed, no divided light $228.67

3030 1P: Fixed , no divided light $228.67

2030 1Q: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $446.26

2030 1R: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $446.26

2020 2A: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $197.74

2020 2B: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $197.74

2020 2C: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $197.74

4050 2D: Casement, SDL (8/8 LITE) twin unit $1,058.14

2030 2E: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $281.14

2030 2F: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $281.14

2G: eliminate -

2040 2H: Hung, no divided light $253.44

3040 2J: Hung, no divided light $295.68

3040 2K: Hung, no divided light $295.68

3050 2L: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $578.69

3050 2M: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $578.69

3050 2N: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $578.69

$11,599.35

w tax, no install $12,556.30

Pella, Architect Series

SIZE DESCRIPTION PRICE

6050 1A 1B: Casement, SDL (6/6 LITE) twin unit $1,544.18

3050 1C: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $548.44

3050 1D: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $548.44

3050 1E: Hung, no divided light $585.85

3050 1F: Hung, no divided light $585.85

3030 1G: Fixed, no divided light $440.44

2026 1H: Fixed, no divided light $321.54

3050 1J: Fixed Casement/ Awning, no divided light $925.88

3050 1K: Fixed Casement/ Awning, no divided light $925.88

3050 1L: Fixed Casement/ Awning, no divided light $925.88

2036 1M: Hung, no divided light $427.49

3030 1N: Fixed, no divided light $322.79

3030 1P: Fixed , no divided light $322.79

2030 1Q: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $527.39

2030 1R: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $527.39

2020 2A: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $314.72

2020 2B: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $314.72

2020 2C: Fixed, SDL (4LITE) $314.72

4050 2D: Casement, SDL (8/8 LITE) twin uinit $1,548.58

2030 2E: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $405.28

2030 2F: Fixed, SDL (6 LITE) $405.28

2G: eliminate

2040 2H: Hung, no divided light $459.15

3040 2J: Hung, no divided light $522.47

3040 2K: Hung, no divided light $522.47

3050 2L: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $700.28

3050 2M: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $700.28

3050 2N: Casement, SDL (6 LITE) $700.28

$16,388.46

w/tax, no install $17,740.51

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lzerarc

any reason the architect series and not the designer or proline? or perhaps mix and match different series in different locations of the house to conserve costs?.
Are you only considering those 2 options? In my experience, either Marvin or Eagle are both better then Pella. I have had experience with all of the above. Eagle will be cheaper then your pella quote, and Marvins might be around the same. However in my opinion, a Pella is

    Bookmark   August 24, 2010 at 10:14PM
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DallasAuburn

Good thought regarding the designer or proline Pellas. I'm going to check into that. Eagle isnot readily available (possible, but not prevalent) in my area, and my window installer tells me that Marvin is significantly more money than Pella. Perhaps I need to get some second bids.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 3:24PM
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lzerarc

Marvin compared to their architect line should not really cost anything more. Possibly even the designer line. Pella adds a lot when you do upgrades, such as finishes, grills, etc. Marvin does not, making prices very similar. The catch is Marvin showroom dealers will price much better then non showroom dealers. Also check out Marvin's integrity line. They are a fiberglass unit that will cost below the Pella and in my opinion, still better. Eagles are still new to the window world as far as i am concerned, but Anderson's selling network should get them growing even faster then they are. Both Pella and ealge are made in my state, not to far from me.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 6:02PM
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justinh1999

You are comparing apples and oranges with the vinyl and wood clad products, but my first impression is you would be overpaying for a Don Young window at that price. The difference between a Don Young package and Pella's Architect Series Should be more like $8-9K vs. $5k. They are decent windows, but not THAT decent.

You can throw a stone and find someone who can price Don Young windows where as you are limited to Pella's Direct Showroom or a Lowe's. If you really like your installer and want to pay his price for the Don Young window, don't shop him. If you want to see price variations for the exact same window, there will be MANY guys who would be happy to quote a Don Young window.

If you are in the Dallas area, I would suggest you get a quote on Milgard windows. They have been around for 40 years out west, but they are new to the Dallas Market. Great looking windows, better warranty than either Don Young or Pella, and they offer a two tone vinyl option so you can have a different exterior color and a white interior.

Here is a link that might be useful: San Antonio Windows and Doors

    Bookmark   August 27, 2010 at 12:21AM
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DallasAuburn

Justin -- you have confirmed my suspicions. I have a GC, and this is the GC's window installer. I am not trying to "shop him" as much as just to understand if he's anywhere in the ballpark of what is reasonable -- haven't bought windows before. I definitely understand I'm comparing different fruits, but really didn't understand how Pella (top of the line Pella, at that) was so close to a vinyl window. From what I have read, DYC is a good window, but it's not top-of-the-line in a vinyl.
Thanks so much for the good feedback.

Good lead on the Milgard -- I've seen in mentioned in a lot of other threads. Would it be about the same price as DYC?

    Bookmark   August 27, 2010 at 6:15PM
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highport

For Vinyl windows in Dallas, look at Maritech(locally made) or Visions vinyl by Weather Shield(outstanding glass options). For Clad Wood windows the Lincoln W-V Series is a great window at a reasonable price. The Pella Proline is no where near the quality of the Pella Architect Series.

    Bookmark   August 29, 2010 at 11:49AM
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justinh1999

At the Don Young prices you gave me, Milgard should look pretty good on pricing depending on who is providing it for you. Look at the details when shopping the price: both windows carry a lifetime warranty on the product, but Milgard also offers a lifetime warranty on the SERVICE.

Buy Don Young and you will be responsible for finding someone to fix it if it breaks. Is that your GC's window installer? Is it a handyman? Is it your neighbor? If your Milgard window has a warranty issue, it is a Milgard tech coming to the house to fix it. That is why I prefer their product, not because of the price, but the support you get from the manufacturer.

To prevent others from thinking I am a Milgard "shill", I am an independent window installation company in San Antonio with access to numerous window brands. I have installed Don Young and other brands and I think they are decent products. As someone who must depend on the product to perform and offer the options that homeowners are looking for today, Milgard really shines.

Here is a link that might be useful: San Antonio Windows and Doors

    Bookmark   August 29, 2010 at 3:24PM
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DallasAuburn

Highport -- just returned from the Pella showroom, and they tell me the primary difference between the Proline and the Architectural is just options, not window performance. Just want to better understand your comment about Proline not being as good of a window as Architect.
Thanks, Justin for Milgard lead -- looking into that.

    Bookmark   August 31, 2010 at 2:10PM
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highport

Pella is telling you that because they know you are not going to spend the money for the Architect series. What they are not telling you is to research the Problems Pella is having in all of the clad Series. Do not take my word for this; look it up! Also, may i ask, are the sizes you listed for New construction or Retrofit? The pricing you listed seems way too High for Vinyl & Clad Wood. Thank You

    Bookmark   September 1, 2010 at 3:52AM
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highport

You could buy a 3050 Casement, Clay Vinyl, 366-Low-E with Argon, SDL for $350.35 or Adobe Vinyl Clad Wood Casement, 366-Low-E Argon, SDL for $443.30 or Even a Fiberglass Casement, SDL, Zo-E 6 (best window in this market) for $505.26 All of these windows will Exceed the Qualification's for the $1500.00 Tax Credit. The Dallas-Fort Worth market is the 2nd. Most competitive market in the United States. Shop Around!!!

    Bookmark   September 4, 2010 at 9:05AM
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DallasAuburn

Thanks so much for y'alls help. Thought I should close out this thread by sharing our decision. We did shop around, and found that the quotes for Don young and Pella were WAY out of line. We shopped Pella around and got Marvin quotes that were very comparable. We ended up mixing Marvin Ultimates (house front) and Integrity (Wood Ultrex) for LESS than the Don Young quote. Wow. I am so thankful for all the information and knowledge shared.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2010 at 1:01PM
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macv

Pella windows are clad with roll-form aluminum which is a system the better window manufacturers abandoned in favor of extruded aluminum. Find a better Marvin supplier and get a better price. I would choose an Andersen Woodwright over any Pella.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2010 at 6:41PM
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DallasAuburn

Macv, I chose Marvin.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2010 at 1:34PM
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desertwest

justinh1999 posted "both windows carry a lifetime warranty on the product, but Milgard also offers a lifetime warranty on the SERVICE." That hasn't been my experience in New Mexico if you mean labor/install is "service." Pella, Milgard, Anderson, and Marvin all only offered a 2 year warranty on labor.

Out of Pella, Milgard, and Marvin, for glass and parts, Milgard has the best warranty - lifetime. Marvin and Pella were 10 - 20 years which to me sounds like they don't have complete confidence in their product.

For those buying Pella from a Pella store, try get a quote at Lowe's too, and the Pella store may match it, but Lowe's doesn't sell Impervia, but they do sell the vinyl and wood.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2010 at 10:09PM
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