Grrr, what am I doing wrong cutting this crown?

weedyacresFebruary 16, 2008

Why are the joints of my crown molding ending up like this?

I'm cutting on a 12" compound miter saw, putting the molding upside down, flush against the table and the fence, measuring each corner with a protractor and cutting 1/2 of the measured angle (most are 88 or 92 degrees). They're matching at the bottom of the joint, but there's a gap at the top. What part of my cutting am I doing wrong?

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sombreuil_mongrel

The crown is too far up the wall by the looks of it. IOW, if you push the crown down the wall, the open joint @ ceiling will close. If you cannot do that, you need to alter the orientation at the saw; the upside-down crown needs to be less on the table, more on the fence; taller, not flatter, if you follow.
I always ascertain the wall/ceiling coordinates of a crown by placing a piece in the angle of a framing square and taking its measure. These dimensions can be drawn onto the ceiling/wall, and used at the saw to make each cut in the same plane.
Casey

    Bookmark   February 16, 2008 at 9:23PM
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HandyMac

Or, you could eliminate that problem altogether by cope cutting one end of the crown. Since most corners are not an exact 90 degrees, you have to 'fuss' with the two angles to get them to fit. Coping one end simply exposes the profile as a sharp cut, which can then be 'tuned' for a seamless fit.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2008 at 7:45AM
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green-zeus

Coping is what I see most pros doing. But even coping is a learned technique. If you continue to have difficulties, you could consider using corner blocks. Then you have all strainght cuts on the crown.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2008 at 11:12AM
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sombreuil_mongrel

Even if you cope the joint you must have the relationships (wall/ceiling/saw fence/angle)right or the cope will be open in its own way.
Of course, it will be easier to caulk the h3ll out of an open coped joint than that open miter.
Casey

    Bookmark   February 17, 2008 at 4:15PM
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weedyacres

Coping sounds like a more difficult skill to learn than cutting crown, so I'm trying to avoid that. And I don't like the corner blocks because IMO they're for people who can't cut proper miters. (Oh wait, that would be me! :-) I've also become quite skilled at glopping on the caulk (double :-)).

I did ok cutting smaller crown, and had thought I had finally figured it out. This is bigger stuff, and I'm also using a jig I found at Lowe's, so it sounds like I need to do a bit more practice with some scraps getting it set against the fence properly.

Thanks for all your help and suggestions.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2008 at 8:07AM
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green-zeus

And corners are not usually completely square because there is so much tape and drywall mud in a corner and that changes its relationship to the walls on each side of it. As you said--try cutting some scrap first. Experiment not only with changing the angle slightly on your saw, but compounding may help too.

The way I've seen the experts cope crown is to,first, make a 45 degree cut on it. Then cope off the cut following the line between the face of the crown and that 45 degree excess. I'm not an expert at coping---but I do a very fine job of it and the joints are very tight. Why not give it a try? You might have a talent for it. If the piece isn't real long, you can do a fine coping job with a table jigsaw.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2008 at 11:00AM
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