Marvin vs Eagle

as1022June 4, 2012

Got several quotes on wood windows for our new construction project. Comes down to a choice between Marvin Ultimate, Marvin Integrity, and Andersen Eagle. The Integrity and Eagle are about the same price, although the Eagles are aluminum clad and much more color options and the Integrity is fiberglass and very limited. Marvin Ultimates, also aluminum clad and many options cost $15000 more but don't feel or look much better than the Eagle. Dealer says his experience with Marvin not as good as with Eagle.

My question: is the Marvin brand so important that I should go with a lesser window (Integrity) or pay much more for the Ultimate? Is there anything about the Eagle I'm missing?

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millworkman

There will be others on here who may not agree with me but in my honest opinion Marvin Ultimates are the best hands down, Integrity would probably be third in my mind and Eagle about 8.

    Bookmark   June 4, 2012 at 9:05PM
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toddinmn

I would go with Eagle. The Marvins are not worth $15,000 more.I would look into there factory applied extruded casings if you haven't done so already. The only thing I don't care for on the Eagle is the internal glazing bead, though it is only cosmetic.

    Bookmark   June 5, 2012 at 12:04AM
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pds22

Am trying to make similar decision between Marvin Ultimate, Marvin Integrity or Eagle. All casements except for sliding door and french door. The Ultimates were $14k higher @ $50k, Integrity and Eagles were similar @ $36k.

Have been reviewing Eagle posts here and elsewhere. Many past issues with leaking and design problems. Could not find any recent postings as to whether "newer" Eagle design and fibrex in-between aluminum and wood has resolved previous issues and/or improved the window overall.

Would like to lean towards Eagle given pricing and similar aluminum exterior and color options like Marvin Ultimates. Not convinced about Marvin Integrity, will say the window salesman sure like to push Integrity which makes me leery. But am concerned about previous Eagle issues and if new design, Fibrex usage are just more issues in-waiting later.

Be interested in understanding people's perspectives and experiences about the new Eagle design, Fibrex usage. And whether cause for additional concern or no.

    Bookmark   June 5, 2012 at 6:06PM
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lkbum_gw

I just completed new construction with a similar mix of windows. I looked at a lot of different windows and ended up with Integrity Wood/Ultrex. The wood/ultrex had a higher end look and the interior stained really well. I chose the Integrity because of the extreme weather a lot of this house sees. I've seen problems with clad windows, vinyl or aluminum were not really an option. I did look closely at the Andersen composite window. Didn't seem as nice (although it did appear stouter) and was about 20% higher than the Integrity. See the link below for pics.

Here is a link that might be useful: integrity windows

    Bookmark   June 5, 2012 at 6:30PM
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lzerarc

The revised Eagles are better. I installed some a few weeks ago in an addition. The original house has Eagles that are going on 15 years. They have never leaked.
The new design puts fibrex where most water contact is, and also has a better positive contact with the weather stripping to the fibrex.
I would take eagle over the integrity mainly due to options. I do not think you can go wrong with either though. I think the eagle is a better looking window with some more wood on the sash and frame. THe marvin premium is better, I agree, but not worth the cost difference.
My new home this summer will most likely either be Eagle or Kolbe and Kolbe.

    Bookmark   June 5, 2012 at 8:05PM
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toddinmn

I think you if research any wood window you are going to see a lot of issues with rot, Marvin in included.

    Bookmark   June 5, 2012 at 8:41PM
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WindowDog

In addition to all above advice, I would suggest you read the various warranties so that you know what is covered and what isn't. Some warranties are very selective in the fine print. You might have a longer warranty on the exterior than the interior, less warranty on frame than glass, and all other kinds of different combos. I'm not sure that fibrex is warranted over 10 years. It can literally be stupid how they are being written.

    Bookmark   June 6, 2012 at 2:01AM
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lzerarc

Integrity fiberglass is also only 10 years. It seems most window companies these days are sticking to the 20/10 warranties.

    Bookmark   June 6, 2012 at 8:52AM
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millworkman

Your right todd you will find that with most every wood company. What separates the companies is how they handle those problems. Marvin never ran from their trouble (even though is was not their product that caused the problem). Most companies that have have had a problem that large solved the issue by either going bankrupt and reorganizing as a new company and would not honor the warranties or sold the company to someone else and they would not honor the warranties.

    Bookmark   June 6, 2012 at 9:00AM
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lkbum_gw

On the wood rot issue, that's why I chose fiberglass exterior vs clad wood. Only time will tell if this is truly better. Inital impression is positive.

    Bookmark   June 6, 2012 at 3:03PM
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windowsonwashington

Well designed clad wood should work, but I think you made the safer bet with fiberglass.

    Bookmark   June 7, 2012 at 7:05AM
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chris0505

It seems unrealistic that there is a 40%+ price difference from Marvin to Eagle. Make sure you are doing an apple to apple comparison. Are you using casements or double hungs? If you are doing casement, there is nothing on the market that compares to the wash feature of the Marvin casmenent. What type of screens did both figure? Hardware options? Marvin offers different screens at different prices. Are patio doors figured the same way, swinging vs. sliding? Is one company figuring sliding french doors vs. regular sliding doors? Marvin's top mounted sliding screen door beats anyone else's on the market.

Marvin's standard finish exceeds the AAMA 2605-05 specification is the highest standard available for finishes on aluminum clad windows. Eagle's standard paint finish meets only AAMA 2604. AAMA is the American Architectural Manufacturers Association. This means less chalking, less fading, less gloss loss. Search AMMA2605 and Kynar paint finishes on the internet.

Marvin uses all extruded aluminum for the cladding, both the frame and the sashes. I am not sure with Eagle. Other window companies mix roll formed and extruded aluminum on the same window. Paint finished on roll formed and extruded fade at different rates and levels.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2012 at 2:14PM
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millworkman

chris Eagle does use extruded aluminum for the cladding and one thing I did forget to mention in addition to all the good points you made was if your using Hinged Patio doors make certain both companies are using Multipoint hardware as that is a trick alot of them use to make the pricing lower.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2012 at 2:46PM
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lzerarc

I know Eagle uses extruded aluminum, and they also use multi-point locking swinging doors. I would not think 40% is too far out of line. That is pretty close to what mine was too. they were about 20% higher then Kolbe as well.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2012 at 3:22PM
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eastbay10

Look closely at the Eagle doors. They are one of Eagle's weak points. They do not have adjustable hinges. Depending where you live and what type of soil you have, that could be very important. Fit and finish also leaves something to be desired. Andersen has made some improvements in the line but it's still not close to Marvin IMO.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2012 at 9:51AM
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as1022

Thanks for the responses. I'm pretty sure the comparison is very much apples to apples, and I don't have any hinged doors. The price difference for Marvin Ultimate is actually more than 40%. I'm not sure I got my answer here - I still can't see much of a difference between the Andersen Eagle and Marvin Ultimate. Eagle is extruded aluminum too and has AAMA 2605 as an option which is not that expensive - but I was told this was only important in coastal areas where you get salt exposure. Haven't made up my mind yet but leaning toward the Eagle.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2012 at 8:33PM
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dljmth

Need to make my final decision on this in the next few days and was wondering what the OP ended up doing. I had posted about the Marvin vs. Eagle solar heat gain and u-values and was leaning toward Eagle for the cost/benefit even though Marvin appears to be a beefier window. Was pretty much set on Eagle but am now wondering if it's worth giving up the radiant heat floors in the house in exchange to go for Marvin windows. A fixed budget requires trade-offs...

    Bookmark   August 23, 2012 at 8:37PM
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toddinmn

Radiant floors are pretty nice, Eagle is a pretty solid window. I think the choice is easy.

    Bookmark   August 23, 2012 at 8:59PM
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gab64

I have been a high end builder on the north shores of Lake Erie for 39 years. I have installed most of the major brands at one time or another from Architects specifications.
On the lakefront houses you are basically building a boat more than a house. We have been using Eagle clad casements for the last 6 years exclusively, and even through Hurricane Sandy, not a window leak.
The extruded Aluminum that slides over the millwork is thick and did not dent during a hail storm four years ago.
We did dozens of widow replacements on the north and west faces of houses with rollform cladding.
After Sandy, there were trucks at every other house on the lake trying to repair window leaks. Some, of course were siding and flashing issues.
Much of the problems are incorrect installation procedures. We use our own triple taping/flashing procedure that has worked great for us through high velocity horizontal rains.
If my name in on the sign the windows will be Eagle casements. Beware of any brand double hungs in high wind areas. Also outswing doors are mandatory on the lakefront facings. Best wishes!

    Bookmark   September 3, 2014 at 6:39PM
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gab64

I have been a high end builder on the north shores of Lake Erie for 39 years. I have installed most of the major brands at one time or another from Architects specifications.
On the lakefront houses you are basically building a boat more than a house. We have been using Eagle clad casements for the last 6 years exclusively, and even through Hurricane Sandy, not a window leak.
The extruded Aluminum that slides over the millwork is thick and did not dent during a hail storm four years ago.
We did dozens of widow replacements on the north and west faces of houses with rollform cladding.
After Sandy, there were trucks at every other house on the lake trying to repair window leaks. Some, of course were siding and flashing issues.
Much of the problems are incorrect installation procedures. We use our own triple taping/flashing procedure that has worked great for us through high velocity horizontal rains.
If my name in on the sign the windows will be Eagle casements. Beware of any brand double hungs in high wind areas. Also outswing doors are mandatory on the lakefront facings. Best wishes!

    Bookmark   September 3, 2014 at 6:49PM
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millworkman

2 year old post brought back to life, just registered today..........

    Bookmark   September 3, 2014 at 9:16PM
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windowsonwashington

Hmm.....

Yes....

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 7:38AM
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