Do you lay wood floor before or after cabinets in a remodel

mom6September 22, 2006

My kitchen has been demolished and the contractor keeps giving me the pros and cons of installing the prefinished exotic wood floors now or doing it after the cabs have been installed. He seems to want me to decide and I have absolutely no idea.

What should I tell him??

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snoonyb

After.
If your cabinets are custom, have the cabinet shop make them with a 5" toe kick.

If they are bag-n-box, have the installer hold them 3/4" above the floor.

This will eliminate any potential difficulties with the installation of undercounter appliances.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2006 at 8:19AM
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live_wire_oak

It's far easier on the installer to install them before, and you don't have height issues with your appliances not fitting at a later point. It's usually a bit more expensive in materials to do it this way, but the cheaper labor charges tend to make up for it and then some. Installing plywood the height of the finished floor where the cabinets are going and then putting in the hardwood saves on material costs somewhat, but the labor involved eats up any perceived savings on that front. And, if you ever change your mind down the road and want to reconfigure your cabinets, you don't have a finished floor underneath then when you remove them, and matching that flooring will be virtually impossible. If the finished floor runs underneath the cabinets, it makes any future remodling ideas be far easier and cheaper to accomplish.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2006 at 9:24AM
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wdatampa

Lay the floor before. You will have a better, all around finished product in the end. You will spend a bit more, but if you ever want to change anything you will be soooo happy that the floor runs all the way under the cabinets.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2006 at 2:03PM
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rjoh878646

Lay the floor before and have the contractor fill in under the cabinet area with pine boards or plywood whichever meets the height of the floor. Just have the finished floor extend a couple of inches under the cabinet. Thats what I would do. Saves some money and you end up with a better laid floor. After its down make sure he puts a floor protector over it so it doesn't get scratched when he installs the cabinets

    Bookmark   September 22, 2006 at 2:23PM
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jamesk

Last year when my house was gutted and remodeled, the new oak floors were installed before any cabinetry was installed. Oak runs wall to wall in every single room in the house, including bathrooms and closets. The floors were not finished, however, until after the cabinets were installed and all of the painting was completed throughout the house.

James

    Bookmark   September 22, 2006 at 8:47PM
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ttfweb

Always, if possible, floors first.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2006 at 12:55AM
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pjb999

Hmm I would say first for tiles etc, but for a lay down click or slot or whatever you want to call it, floating floor, I'm told you should NOT run the flooring right under the cabinets. I was told this by my ex boss who was a moron in many regards but knew what he was talking about in this regard. Apparently you get too much movement if the cabinets sit atop this type of floor.

He recommended that you lay the floor AFTER, also eliminating risk of damage to floor, naturally you have to make height allowances, but get kitchen installers to leave the kick panel off - then you have open space under cupboards. Flooring is laid up to - but allowing space around - the plastic leg things that hold kitchen cupboards up these days. Then, once floor is in place, kickboards are put in, so they run flush to the floor.

They look just as good as floor will continue some distance under kickboard, but your cupboards will be sitting on a solid, stable floor, where they won't move - movement would cause problems with your splashback joints and possibly with any tiling.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2006 at 3:06AM
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pearlchow

OK two things:
1. If you have a prefinished floor and you put it down first before cabinets and other finish work, MAKE SURE you protect it and preferably with something thick enough and strong enough to deflect dropped tools.
2. I've also heard that you should not place cabinets on top of floating wood floors, because by securing the base cabinet so it doesn't move, you prevent the wood floor from expanding and contracting. Can anyone confirm this?
Actually three things :-):
3. We have a concrete slab subfloor. Is it okay for the cabinets to sit on this, since it sounds like we're not supposed to place them on top of the floating wood floor. Also, how do you get the appliances to slide out? Do you need to put plywood underneath them?
OK, so maybe that was more than 3 things....

    Bookmark   October 21, 2006 at 3:46AM
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kat123

We are remodeling and our GC put the oak floors down first, even before the painting and granite installation.

    Bookmark   October 21, 2006 at 4:43PM
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pjb999

Pchow,

You are spot on - you should build the floor under cabinet space, at least where appliances go, with something of similar thickness to final floor - plywood'd be ideal. Personally, I'd seal it with something too.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2006 at 2:48AM
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