Why can't I drill into the exterior wall from outside?

menkAugust 7, 2014

My house was built nearly 100 years ago, but a previous owner added a room (by extending the house), not sure when.

Shorter version: I'm trying to drill into the outer wall of this room at the height of the attic, but when I drill, instead of sawdust, it's some gray crumbly dust. Then about 3/4" in, the drill bit is unable to advance further. I look into the hole and it looks like the drill bit is trying to go into... metal? Kind of shiny and dented in by the bit. Do I just need to push harder? :oP

Longer background info:
The added-on room gets really warm during summer and cold in winter (more so than the rest of the home). This may have to do with the fact that the flat roof above it is probably less than a foot above the interior ceiling and has no insulation. There's just about no attic space, and the "attic" that does exist is divided into approximately 20 compartments... divided by the horizontal 2x10(?) beams. Most of these compartments don't appear to have ventilation at all, some have ventilation on the outside of the house (and half connect with the rest of the house's attic). My main goal is to be able to keep this room cooler in summer and warmer in winter like the rest of the house, which has insulation in the attic. I want to cut ventilation holes in the exterior of the house, then blow in insulation through these ventilation holes. The plan was to cut these holes with a 5" hole saw, but the hole saw is not getting through the exterior of the house. I removed the hole saw and used just the arbor and the arbor dead-ends at what looks like metal, but I can't be sure it is.

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grubby_AZ

Unless you can say what you're drilling into, it's all wild guessing. You are drilling into the exterior wall from the exterior, and you expect sawdust but are getting masonry? Need some more info there. Pics are always nice.

There's no other way into the joist space other than through a structural wall?

Bits that will drill through rock concrete and masonry and not get thrown for a loop when hitting metal are only a little expensive but they generally need an expensive drillmotor to run them. The real problem is what is that metal, is it rebar or gas pipe or electrical conduit, and so what possibly exciting stuff are you going to hit after going through or into that metal?

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 2:44AM
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Trebruchet

I'd remove the siding. Those 5" hole plugs are going to look horrible on a hundred-year-old house, no matter how you try to disguise them.

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 6:43AM
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menk

Those are great questions, grubby_me!

It never occurred to me it could be a conduit based on how smoothly it seemed to transition from one material to the next, but it's definitely worth looking into in case it actually is a conduit.

Other ways I can think of getting into the joist space are:
1. Through the roof. I'd rather not try this, especially since I'm relatively inexperienced with this type of work.
2. Through the ceiling of the room beneath.

I opted for the external option because I figured those chambers could use ventilation. Cutting holes that lead into the room beneath would just ventilate the hot "attic" air into the bedroom.

I'll see if I can get some pics. Hard to get good pics of the bottom of a narrow hole. :oP I'll see if there's anything else I can take pics of that might give clues of what I'm drilling into...

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 6:43PM
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hippy

If it is a flat roof like you say. 99% chance you are hitting a piece channel (L shape metal).

Cant you just drill the holes up through the ceiling between the trusses to blow the insulation into? A lot less work repairing and no damage to the outside walls.

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 10:56PM
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menk

Thanks for the suggestion, hippy! I'll look into that.

Meanwhile, you're right, I could drill up through the ceiling to get into the space. My thinking was that most of those spaces have no ventilation (completely enclosed on all sides), so by drilling through the outside wall, I would create ventilation as well as create an insertion point for the blown insulation. My guess is that not having ventilation causes the temperatures to be much hotter, so ventilation+insulation would be cooler than just insulation.

However, I am by no means a contractor or even a frequent home-DIY-er... just a guy who's used some tools before and is trying to cool down a room. :oP Okay, I also took some engineering classes in college but I'm sure there's lots of stuff they don't cover in those classes that's important for designing and building houses ha...

    Bookmark   August 8, 2014 at 1:31AM
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millworkman

Soffits and roof's need to be vented, not walls. All your doing is opening up avenues, for water, bug and potential rodent infiltration.

    Bookmark   August 8, 2014 at 7:08AM
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worthy

Years ago, tenants at a 19th Century rental house I owned called me--on an icy wintry day, natch--about a portion of a water-soaked ceiling that had fallen into their bathroom knocking the sink off the wall.

Turns out a p.o. had insulated the few inches of the flat roof with numerous "ventilation" holes, blew in some insulation and patched. But not very well. I ended up re-roofing the whole thing, after knocking off an unused chimney so there were no pesky flashings to worry about.

You're better off forgetting the whole thing. Or at the least, add the insulation topside to the flat roof and re-roof.

Before drilling into things you should be sure what they are.

Good luck!

    Bookmark   August 8, 2014 at 10:30AM
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bcarlson78248

My 1940 house has a 2" galvanized vent pipe for the plumbing that runs in an exterior wall. Based on what I can see of the pipe in the basement and attic, it would be very tough to drill a hole if I picked the wrong spot in the wall and hit that pipe instead of open space.

Bruce

    Bookmark   August 8, 2014 at 5:25PM
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menk

Thanks everyone for the advice so far!

Finally took some pics... might not be very helpful. This is an attempt at zooming into where the hole saw cut...
I think I'll try drilling somewhere nearby in a diagonal direction to see if it might be a metal pipe or conduit...

    Bookmark   August 10, 2014 at 1:38PM
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menk

You can see where I attempted to drill the hole, above the right side of the ladder. To the left is an existing vent. To the right is a lamp, so I'm thinking there's a possibility I could be running into a conduit or something for that lamp. Above the lamp is another vent.

    Bookmark   August 10, 2014 at 1:40PM
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menk

The hole drilled by the arbor

    Bookmark   August 10, 2014 at 1:41PM
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