When the electricians damage your cabinets...

nhbasketsApril 29, 2014

...what do you do? We've been complaining for a week about our appliances sitting in the kitchen, unpacked, and uninstalled. Workers will squeeze by the double ovens and the island rather than walking around. Yes I know it's faster to cut through a 6 inch space, but don't these morons give any thought to protecting things?

Today a crew of six electricians were in our new build. For the most part they just installed lights, leaving the appliances sitting on the floor. Tonight we went by (yes, again the house was totally unlocked) and I noticed a gouge in the leg of the island near where the double oven sits. I took a picture and sent it to our realtor (we're closing on May 15). She replied that they have been told. Well, now what? It kills me that I have dings in my kitchen and I haven't even moved in yet. And don't get me started on the idiot who used the toilet when the water isn't hooked up yet.

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detroit_burb

let the contractor pay for it. it is not your problem. as for a sloppy useless contractor leaving the door unlocked... yeah, I've been there. Send e-mails when things like this happen and keep a paper trail. the contractor needs to lock up daily after the trades leave. you need to be hounding your sloppy contractor's backside, and hold back on checks until you get the work done right.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 9:23PM
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greenhaven

Good gravy! I am speechless at the toilet thing...geez.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 9:29PM
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Trebruchet

Does the builder provide clean porta potties to the jobsite?

Oh, clean facilities? Stupid idiot contractors think they deserve that dignity?

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:00PM
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nhbaskets

I honestly haven't noticed any porta potties in the development, certainly not on the culdesac we're on. I just had to shake my head on that one. Another thing to email the realtor about.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:07PM
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greenhaven

Treb, I am sure it was not about them using the facilities, I think it was about them using non-functioning facilities.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:21PM
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detroit_burb

when we built our home, we did not put on toilet seats until after we moved in.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:34PM
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nhbaskets

Haven't seen any females working so I don't think that would have deterred this idiot.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:44PM
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crl_

I imagine no toilet seat might be a visual clue to anyone though. Sorry for the icky incident and the damage to the cabinets. Surely they will make that right.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:51PM
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cold_weather_is_evil

>> I honestly haven't noticed any porta potties in the development, certainly
>> not on the culdesac we're on. ... Another thing to email the realtor about.

Or the health department.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:54PM
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Trebruchet

Porta potties? That's nuthin'.

I've been on jobs where I was expected to provide my own electricity.

I've been on jobs where I was apparently expected to build my own steps to carry the countertops into the home.

This is why the trades suck and everybody wants their daughter to marry a doctor or lawyer. Doctors and lawyers are always provided a place to pee at work. Contractors, not so much.

This post was edited by Trebruchet on Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 21:12

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 6:47AM
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scpalmetto

In my county it is code - the contractor must provide porta potties. I hated having one on the front lawn when we bumped out the back of the house a few years ago.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 7:00AM
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ardcp

so sorry nhbaskets, it would make me want to cry! if the contractor doesn't step up to fix it, maybe you could lightly sand it and touch up the stain/paint? you had your own cabinet installer, right? maybe you could call them and see what they advise. in second thought, i am sure i wouldn't trust the contractor to fix it! hopefully it is done soon and you can sigh with relief:)

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:23AM
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weissman

Absolutely make them fix it - you haven't closed on the house yet and they own it not you. If it isn't fixed by the closing date, you have two options - delay the closing or hold back money at the closing with a list of things to be fixed - make sure you hold back enough to make it worth their while to actually come back and do the work.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:03AM
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eam44

I'm a doctor and I'd marry a contractor in a minute.

Tall dark and handsome please, a little on the older (wiser) side, and it'd be great if he had a sense of humor.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:04AM
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crl_

Yeah, dh and I are both lawyers and are hoping our kids choose something else. Dh works brutal hours at a big law firm, often not having time for lunch and not getting dinner until nine or ten o'clock at night. He pulls all nighters every couple of months and routinely works 80 hour weeks. Not a cushy gig at all. Dh worked construction before college and thinks the trades might be a good fit for our oldest.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:25AM
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sjhockeyfan325

What weissman said

(p.s. Both DH and I are lawyers, too, and it doesn't have to be as grueling as it is for crl's DH -- we have a life too!)

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:49AM
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CEFreeman

Having been married to a family of GCs, don't get too happy about the idea of having a handy man around.

If I ever hear the phrase, "Shoemaker's kids don't have shoes" again, I'm going to throw myself off my unfinished roof. Being exhausted I understand. Being effing lazy about your own home? Oh, hell no.

OTOH, I've dated doctors, lawyers & dealmakers in my life. Worked for lawyers, which is far better than dating them. Don't think I'd do that again, either.

OH, my, off topic!
NHbaskets, I'd also recommend holding back that last 1/3rd because it'll be only a substantial sum that will have them fix that damage. I think I'd get my cabinet maker to fix it and submit a receipt with the final payment... As a matter of fact, document everything and get whomever you need to fix it. It'd sure get their attention.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 12:41PM
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jellytoast

A friend was having her vacant condo remodeled and the contractor had the toilet sitting smack in the middle of the bedroom. Even though you'd think it would be obvious that a toilet in a bedroom wouldn't be a WORKING toilet, one of the workers still used it (REALLY used it). I wonder why it didn't strike him as odd while he was sitting there that there were no other fixtures around that would indicate he was actually in the bathroom ...?

This post was edited by jellytoast on Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 18:31

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 6:14PM
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nhbaskets

Oh my, jellytoast! I emailed the realtor today and he was outraged. When we stopped by tonight, the toilet was clean and the water was turned on. Guess they can all now use the facilities without us knowing.

Our KD feels the leg should be replaced as it will never be the same. She's getting a price on it that I'll be passing along to our realtor along with the cost for our installer to removed and install. The amount will certainly be escrowed at closing.

Today things went off the rails at the house. The electrician told us that he wasn't responsible for installing the double oven. He later backtracked and said he normally does this with the cabinet installer in case any adjustments need to be made to the cabinet. Would have been nice for him to communicate that to our installer who was there yesterday all day with six of his electricians. Our double oven is still sitting on the floor.

The electrician also says he will take no responsibility for the damaged leg. I'll leave that to the builder to sort out, just as long as I get a new leg.

DH, who had bypass surgery 8 weeks ago, started cardio rehab today. His BP was elevated while he was there, due to the pluthera of emails and text going back and forth. I asked our realtor for the electrician to deal with me going forward. Tonight she emailed me indicating that she too was worried about DHs BP and basically banned him from going by the house during the day. Don't you think that got his BP up!

Oh, and again the house was totally unlocked tonight, but now they leave the lights on too.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 7:42PM
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Trebruchet

"Tall dark and handsome please, a little on the older (wiser) side, and it'd be great if he had a sense of humor."

Well, I've got four out of the seven (contractor, tall, dark, handsome, older, wiser, and humor).

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 9:11PM
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Trebruchet

nhbaskets:

Sorry, but if you don't have a video of the electricians damaging the leg, they aren't responsible. Correlation is not causation.

I don't like your KD's replacement idea either. That sounds like more problems to me. You're entitled to a nice leg repair which should be fairly easy and inconspicuous. Remember, this isn't a very visible area, and you're going to ding these legs too.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 9:33PM
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weissman

Trebruchet - this is a new house, not a remodel. It doesn't matter whether the electrician did it or not - it's the builder's issue - he owns the house until nhbaskets agrees to close on it.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 9:46PM
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snookums2

"Oh, clean facilities? Stupid idiot contractors think they deserve that dignity?"

"Doctors and lawyers are always provided a place to pee at work. Contractors, not so much."

These kind of complaints chap my hide.

Some plumbing site had a letter to the public how we should treat contractors better by letting them use our bathrooms. What a ridiculous plea!

If it's a build site or large project, the GC should be providing something for his crew, just as an office does.

I used to naively welcome workmen to use my bathroom. This is now a problem - because they think they are entitled to be slobs .

Maybe if they acted with dignity and respected the use of someone's home bathroom, people wouldn't mind letting them use their facilities. But when they pee all over your toilet and floor, they kind of lose that privilege and respect.

It's simply terribly disrespectful to homeowners and the properties they are working on. I'm sorry but I think anyone knows better. They just don't care and, honestly, I think some of these people get a kick out of it.

There's a whole discussion about it here:

Here is a link that might be useful: bathroom use

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:56PM
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eam44

Well helloooo there Trebruchet!

If only you lived near Cleveland we could be GW's first couple ;)

And everything in my kitchen would work.

CEFreeman, let a girl dream! I'm happily coupled and my kitchen is done... So nice...

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 7:01AM
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CEFreeman

Well, EAM44, everybody's gotta have one. A dream that is....

The man part is incidental. :)

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 7:49AM
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jellytoast

LOL!

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 9:55AM
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Trebruchet

"If it's a build site or large project, the GC should be providing something for his crew, just as an office does."

snookums2:

I agree.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 10:05AM
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nhbaskets

Found out that there are facilities on site. They just have to walk a few minutes to get there so I'm sure having something right there is tempting.

Good new is the double ovens have been installed. Fit perfectly and our cabinet installer didn't need to be there. Why they couldn't have done this 8 days ago is beyond me.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 6:58PM
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eam44

NH that's great. I walk past my ovens daily.... yep, they're still on the floor.

This post was edited by EAM44 on Fri, May 2, 14 at 1:05

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 1:04AM
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