logicOctober 4, 2010

Recently, has updated their website with a new "improved" version. It is a lot like Trulia, where one can search on recent homes sold, price reduced, etc.

However, at least in our area, it is a mess. Homes that are still active and for sale appear as for sale...but many of those same homes appear under one of their new features called "off market".

In addition, the mapping feature on at least a few listings so far has been very inaccurate, placing the listing in an entirely different town. Last but not least, listings that are not new are being branded as new...while not all new listings are listed as such.

REA's and sellers must be tearing their hair it is hard enough to sell a home in most areas, without the MLS being rendered unreliable.

Has anyone else noticed this in any other state, or is it just a NJ problem?

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I can't even give it a test run because it is slow as molasses. Their site was slow before, now it's worse. They need a better tech staff.

    Bookmark   October 4, 2010 at 4:19PM
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logic, is not the MLS... it is a third party vendor that has an IDX relationship with Local MLS's throughout the Country. Sometimes my newly inputted listings take up to 5 days to show up on the site. By that time, the really good deals are gone. If you are a ready, willing and able Buyer, you need the assistance from an agent who can set you up on a search that will email you listings that match your criteria, the day they come on the market.

    Bookmark   October 4, 2010 at 4:43PM
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From an end-user perspective, I much prefer the new layout.

That being said, I have had problems with some zip codes and townships. For example, I put in search results for Munson Township in Ohio and it kept giving me results for Chagrin Falls on the map.

In general though I like it better - the old site was getting a little dated. Once again, as an end user, not a realtor.

    Bookmark   October 4, 2010 at 6:37PM
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I have been using for the last year. They haven't been around that long, so I don't think they cover all states/areas. I know they cover CA and MA. There is no lag in their information with the data from CA. I usually see new listings, updates to existing listings and solds before my Realtor sends me the info.

As with many sites, you will see some glitches right after they make upgrades to their site, but they usually get them resolved in 1-2 days.

    Bookmark   October 4, 2010 at 10:46PM
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ncrealestateguy, I am not buying or selling. I use the site (among others) for research purposes. I do know that it is not "THE" a the true MLS (such as that which is accessible to the REA's) is not available to the general public.

I do think the new format is a huge improvement. I am just surprised that they did not debug it more thoroughly prior to running it live.

The problem is that depending upon which listing one checks, the information is varied and there is no way to know which site has the correct listing....which does not help the buying or selling process..for anyone.

In addition, it is very difficult to identify foreclosure properties by address without a paid subscription to even then, they don't have complete and/or accurate listings.

redfin does not cover NJ. has always been very good at keeping things up to date... with the new format, it does not seem as this is something to be counted upon anymore. The GSMLS in NJ is very up to date as well...but GSMLS does not cover the whole Garden it's name implies.

I think if, which most people know and use, could clean up their act with their new format, they could dominate the consumer search market...which would be a boon to REA's..and buyers/sellers alike.

I am surprised that this is apparently such a challenge to execute with reliability and consistency.

    Bookmark   October 5, 2010 at 1:01PM
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I like Trulia and Listingbook.


    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 12:04AM
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I like Trulia as well...however, homes that have been sold are not removed from the listings promptly.
Listingbook is not yet available in NJ.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 12:21AM
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Logic, has nothing to do with us Realtors besides then using our data so they can generate business ads. It is not owned, ran, or financed by NAR. They are a third party vendor, just like the rest of them.
Why not get into a relationship with an agent that can set you up on an automated search that will send listings that match your criteria, THE DAY THEY COME ON THEY MARKET? No more missing out on the really great deals that sell w/in hours or days.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 6:52AM
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ncrealestateguy - I think you are missing the point.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 10:07AM
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The point is that the third party sites do not have accurate data, or show data only after a delay.
My only point is, if having the data real time, and accurate, is very important to you, there is a way to have that.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 10:21AM
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The response I recited from mirrors your assessment...that the fault is with the REA's and the local MLS listings. Double entries, no addresses,etc.

That said, I do have a number so "search assists"...they too are erroneous. I will get notifications of "new" listings that have been listed for at least a couple of weeks.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 12:35PM
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Believe me when I say that there are no listings in the MLS's that do not have addresses, and there are no double entires. Every required input field for a listing has to be filled out or the MLS will reject it. Same for multiple listings.
Now, not having pictures is a different thing.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 4:10PM
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ncrealestateguy, you are missing the point that the OP is using for research, not to buy a house. He isn't looking only for what's new on the market today in a certain price range, which is the only information the automated system would provide.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 4:21PM
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Thanks are correct..except I am a "she".

ncrealestateguy, go to this link... a random sample...tell me what you see.

There is one house (MLS ID 5735176) that appears 3 times...with an address, without an address..both with a photo..and a third listing without a photo. There are scores of others without addresses.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 6:01PM
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That is a third party vendor issue, not an MLS input error. told you incorrectly...
An MLS will not have 3 separate listings with the same MLS#, each one being slightly different.
I agree with you, it would bother me too. The system that I set people up on everyday enables them to save their favorites, delete the ones that you do not like, it notifies you the day when there are price changes, status changes, you can map out the property, you can get recently comperable solds, you can get demographics of the area... I would be surprised if your agents can not set you up on something like this.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 9:11PM
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Isn't owned by NAR? If you go to the NAR website is listed under "our other sites". Not to mention that at the top of the site it says "official site of the National Association of Realtors".

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 9:31PM
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terriks, that is what I thought as well.

NCrealestateguy, you are indeed mistaken about below.

And one more time, I have no agent, as I am not buying or selling. Why do you keep ignoring that fact?

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    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 11:33PM
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I think perhaps that what NCREguy actually means is that each individual MLS organization and are separate entities, and use a reciprocal agreement to share listing information. The information is inputted into MLS systems using whatever system that particular MLS has contracted with. "sweeps" the information onto their site. I imagine that formatting differences between the different systems could create problems on the site.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2010 at 11:53PM
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Sounds like you are correct... But, as Terriks says, the data is delayed, and sometimes incorrect due to the unreliabilities of IDX feeds.
Can I ask why you spend so much time on researching home sales if you are not a buyer or seller? Just trying to figure out how to improve my own web site.

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In November 1996, the Board of Directors of the National Association of REALTORS� approved an agreement between the REALTORS� Information Network (RIN)�NAR�s wholly-owned subsidiary--and RealSelect, Inc. to take over the operations of NAR�s official Internet site, At the time, many business models were considered to finance the development of NAR�s Leadership Team decided against using dues dollars or asking for a special assessment of the membership to fund While Homestore and its investors have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build and operate, no NAR funds or NAR member dues dollars have ever been used for the creation or operation of the site.

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    Bookmark   October 7, 2010 at 7:01AM
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ncrealestateguy, I am a consultant, and the research I am performing involves a client project.

That said, IMO, a better system is not only a must...but entirley possible. They just need to hire the right people for design and implementation.

    Bookmark   October 7, 2010 at 5:37PM
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Real Estate is sooo local, that I don't see how a single standard MLS is feasible.

    Bookmark   October 7, 2010 at 7:55PM
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Maybe not standard...but pretty much error free should not be a problem.

Also, I can't fathom why a photo can't be uploaded when the listing is uploaded. That made sense in the days of film...but now? Hardly.

Once again, NAR needs a new web designer.

    Bookmark   October 8, 2010 at 12:11AM
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Fori is not pleased

I dunno--I can't load the darn thing anymore so I guess my evaluation would be that I don't much care for the revamp.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2010 at 3:19PM
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This is an excellent thread, another "must read". The real estate can improve its attitude, and its work ethic... I have noticed a lot of sloppiness and laziness. And buyers(I hope myself) and sellers can also improve.
This forum helps, helps a lot.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2010 at 4:09PM
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