100 year old house, cold climate, retrofit to in-floor heat?

needinfo1April 16, 2014

When we were out of town, we had a freeze up that split the hot water radiators and cracked the boiler. So, we need to replace our entire heat system. We are getting a high efficiency boiler and replacing the old cast iron radiators with steel panel radiators, but we are also thinking about doing a retrofit of in-floor heating on part of the first floor.

We live in a very cold climate and are wondering if anyone has any feedback on having done this, and if they are happy with the result.

We put a kitchen addition on twenty years ago that has windows on three sides and faces north. Part of the room has a full basement underneath, and part is above an unheated crawlspace. The old slant fin baseboard heaters never kept the room warm enough in super cold weather, so we are looking at the idea of in-floor heat to be nailed up under the joists. But, given the room's orientation and plethora of windows, we are wondering whether just in-floor will give us enough heat in that area of the house. Kitchen floors are tongue and groove, narrow maple.

Anyone have any thoughts or any experience? Thanks.

This post was edited by needinfo1 on Wed, Apr 16, 14 at 14:43

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live_wire_oak

While retrofitting can be done, it's often not very cost effective unless you can DIY all of the labor. It's done for comfort, at a premium, rather than basic home heating. Talk to a few specialists to get some quotes to compare.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2014 at 9:48AM
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needinfo1

Thanks. We know that this would definitely cost us more than just putting radiators in. We are getting mixed opinions from the local contractors we have contacted.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2014 at 11:45AM
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Circus Peanut

I can't speak to the in-floor radiation, although it sounds marvelous. We just did a retrofit of our 1910 whole-house hot water heat using the original castiron radiators. To our surprise and continuing delight, a new German high-efficiency direct-vent boiler with Triangle hot water heater has saved us over 50% each month over our old bills. We now have tons of heat, and we're in Maine. Do make sure that your original cast-iron radiators aren't repipable before replacing them? They don't make 'em like that any more, etc etc.

For the addition, that's always tough. We removed a radiator in our kitchen, but made up for it a wee bit by relocating the laundry room directly below it in the basement. I'd kill for in-floor in my kitchen, but it is indeed terribly expensive.

Up to you to decide what the priority is -- it certainly would be a very understandable outlay in cold climates like ours, and potentially could be paid for by the expected savings with the new boiler?

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 1:54PM
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needinfo1

Triangle boiler with their attached water heater is what we are looking at. So, it is very encouraging to hear about the increased efficiency and lower bills you are seeing. Did you get the Buderus boiler, or did I misread and you have Triangle for both units? We are in Minnesota so definitely similar climates.

Saving our radiators is not possible. It was about 20 below here when our heat went out, and all of the radiators froze. When the ice formed and expanded, it caused all of the radiators to crack on multiple seams. That is why we are looking at different alternatives.

Thanks for the input.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 3:00PM
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chibimimi

I agree that in-floor may not be best for whole-house heating. We have it in a few rooms, and while it has advantages it also has disadvantages. The biggest one for me is that you cannot change the temperature of rooms quickly with it. Once it get up to heat, it stays there, so you cannot for example let the bedroom be cool at night but warm in the morning. And it's best for closed-off rooms, at least in my experience.

We have the Buderus furnace with baseboard heating with several zones. It is very responsive, but with our well water (very hard, lots of minerals) we have to be absolutely sure to have it serviced every fall. It provides the hot water for the taps, too, and responds quickly when we need more.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 8:07PM
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zzackey

We had gas heat with baseboards when we lived in northern PA It got as hot as you wanted it to get. I sure do miss it.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 8:13PM
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DreamingoftheUP

In floor heat uses a max boiler water temperature that is lower than with radiators/baseboard of any type. Make sure your contractor knows what he's doing. For a house that has both in floor and radiators/baseboard of any type, a mixing valve in the in floor loop is used to mix hot boiler water with return water from the radiator/baseboard loop to bring the temp down. You can google for more info on mixed systems.

You could put the kitchen on its own zone and thermostat. Based on what you had before, you can calculate the BTU's/hour delivered by the baseboard and make sure the new system delivers more. If you have regular kitchen cabinets, you can install one or more kickspace heaters. I installed a Smith's Environmental unit in my rear entryway which I'm very happy with. The heavy weight in the industry seems to be Beacon-Morris.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 5:45PM
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Circus Peanut

hi Needinfo,
Our boiler is a high efficiency Vitodens by Viesmann, it's German.

Works brilliantly with the Triangle water heater and it's heated our 2400sft old house with no problem through the worst winter in years.

My sympathies on the loss of the original radiators. We were lucky enough to inherit the originals that, even better, have never been painted or otherwise messed with.

Good luck choosing!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2014 at 11:58AM
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needinfo1

We are getting closer to deciding what we will go with as far as replacement heating (and thank goodness that it is warming up outside so we don't have to make a hasty decision without time to thoroughly investigate all of the options),

I appreciate all of the firsthand feedback people have been able to give me about their own experiences. We are looking at a system with four separate zones to address the differing needs in different parts of the house.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2014 at 2:20PM
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