1963 pool resurrection

dumbcluckSeptember 5, 2013

Hey everybody, has anyone here ever had any experience in bringing a filled in pool back to life?
We have a pool in our backyard that was filled in with dirt and trees by previous owner and we are considering making it swim able again?
Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks

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dumbcluck

here is the shallow end and the corner I envision for the spa

    Bookmark   September 7, 2013 at 9:55PM
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dumbcluck

this is the middle section. the chairs are blocking a hole I dug to investigate.

    Bookmark   September 7, 2013 at 9:57PM
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dumbcluck

the deep end.

    Bookmark   September 7, 2013 at 9:58PM
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thejimbar

Big question is where is all the plumbing, and what condition is that in? My guess is you will have to dig up the whole yard to really see if it is feasible to restore the pool to original and to be able to re-plumb if needed. My guess would be it's going to be a costly event even if the shell is in good shape. Excavation, re-plaster, likely re-plumb, new equipment, electric, bonding, decking is going to add up.

    Bookmark   September 8, 2013 at 10:42AM
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dumbcluck

thejimbar you nailed it on the head. yes, I am going to have to dig up the whole yard and replace all plumbing and electrical lines. I would also like to add a spa.
this is not a weekend project or a matter of simply removing dirt and adding water. no sir, this is a bonafide big ass project.
once the dirt and trees are removed however it really is no different than a remodel.
yes there will be holes on the bottom for drainage. no different from the ones they would put in your pool if you emptied it. they would pop holes in it to keep it from floating out.
a good remodel would change out all your plumbing also and of course new equipment as well.
the spa is the most costly piece of this puzzle. but if I gotta have a shotcrete guy out here anyway to fill holes or redesign the pool in any way, I might as well shoot a spa.
definitely not gonna be free. but interesting for sure.

    Bookmark   September 8, 2013 at 11:11AM
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dumbcluck

almost empty...

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 12:02AM
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lilsophie

Awesome, I'm going to love watching the process :)

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 1:46PM
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debo_2006

Wow, like lilsophie, I can't wait to see the progression of this. Keep posting.

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 7:35PM
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cherig22

It looks like it is in pretty good shape, hopefully not too much extra work.

Cheri

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 10:49AM
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dumbcluck

the shell is in pretty good shape considering it has been full of dirt for 20 years. there are some big holes in the bottom for drainage as well. the tough part is going to be getting permits to remodel since it was permitted to be removed back in '93.
the bond beam is untouched and the tile and coping are in great shape and i plan to keep them if possible.
i just want to get it permitted so everything is legal and on record. i would also like to add a spa and figure i should be able to fix the bottom with rebar and gunite as i will have both around for the spa.

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 11:40AM
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rockybird

Wow this is great! Keeping posting pics as you progress.

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 10:02PM
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dumbcluck

well the holes keep getting bigger but at least we can skate it now!

    Bookmark   June 25, 2014 at 12:06AM
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maddielee

Wow! I would have never expected it to look this good. Thanks for posting.

    Bookmark   June 25, 2014 at 7:43PM
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lilsophie

Awesome :)

    Bookmark   June 25, 2014 at 11:58PM
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keithw

Have you had any feedback on how to patch the holes? I am not a pool builder did install my own pool and have done a lot of cement work. IMO:

Keep the spa separate. I think think that separate hot tubs are so much more useful, cost effective and easy to maintain. And it would greatly reduce the plumbing complication of getting this pool operational.

On the holes, I would get a good cement saw and:
A. undercut the lip of the holes like "\".
B. grind parallel and perpendicular 1" trenches into the shell around the hole across from each other.
C.dig the hole back and fill with gravel. a few inches below shell level.
D. Clean it out good.
E. Lay rebar in to trenches ground out.
F. Epoxy it in.
G. Spray the whole are with cement bonding agent and fill and level with high strength cement.
H. Then do whatever prep is necessary to have a new plaster shell applied.

    Bookmark   June 29, 2014 at 3:17PM
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banana_fanna

This is one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen on this forum. Keep posting your progress. Don't ditch us! Need to see this to the end. Good luck. Looks much better than I thought it would.

    Bookmark   June 29, 2014 at 11:33PM
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dumbcluck

well its starting to look like it might really happen!
the last two pool guys who came over both think its gonna be possible to get this pool back on record after being removed.
keep you posted.
any advice on equipment and/ or plumbing?

    Bookmark   July 5, 2014 at 1:18PM
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dumbcluck

ok, as we are nearing reality with the pool being brought back to life I feel it is time to get some real feedback on the equipment we are considering. it is not going to be cheap by any stretch of the imagination so we want to do it right the first time. some of you have offered ideas and opinions before so bear with me please as I go over this again. we are in the neighborhood of $7k with all this stuff so if anything is ridiculous or unneeded or just not worth it, now is the time to voice your opinion.
we have roughly a 20k gallon pool and will be adding a 7' or maybe even 8' round spa 18" raised with spillover.
equipment choices up for debate-
Pentair 011018 IntelliFlo 3HP Variable Speed Ultra Energy-Efficient Pool Pump, 230V
Pentair Clean and Clear Plus CCP520 Cartridge 520 sq. ft. In Ground Pool Filter
Pentair 520543 EasyTouch 4 Function Control Pool/Spa Combo with IC40
Pentair 522104 ScreenLogic Interface and Wireless Connection Kit Bundle
Pentair 640131 IntelliBrite 5g Color Spa Light with 50' Cord, 12V
Pentair 601010 IntelliBrite 5g Color LED 12V, 30W, 30' Cord with Stainless Steel Face Ring Pool Light
Raypak 009243 Digital Low NOx Natural Gas 399,000 BTU Pool Heater
probably 3 return lines in pool, one in spa. 8 jets in spa (don't know which kind)
split main drain and one skimmer (undetermined)
maybe some some jandy valves? (don't really know yet)
OG white plaster
basic light blue 6 x 6 tiles (similar to what we have now)
some white safety grip porous coping (same style as now)
basic old cement decking. nothing fancy here.
mellow style, bombastic functionality.(hopefully)
in other words, we are more interested in whats under the hood than the paint job.
what do you think?

    Bookmark   July 9, 2014 at 1:19AM
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dumbcluck

looks like we have a green light from building department to proceed with the pool.
is there a max distance for the pool equipment? im thinking on the side of the house near the gas meter which is 60'-70' away from pool/spa. its kind of a dead zone over there and not much space on deck or garage. might be the best spot if not too far.
thanks

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 12:42AM
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banana_fanna

No idea about the distance from the pool although I know the closer the better for suction, etc. Sorry I don't know more. We hit a snag when the inspector told us we couldn't install the gas heater where we wanted to because it was too close to a window. So there's that....

Also, your equipment - imo, can't go wrong with Pentair. I'm not well versed on that either. LOL. I swim. That's all.
Anyhooters, good luck going forward. Post lots and lots of pics!

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 9:07AM
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Pools94

Your equipment looks good although I would go with the Master Temp heater so you can have a 3 year warranty on all the equipment.
I like either the Savi Melody or Glo Brite led 12 volt lights. They have less of a profile in the pool.

Now that you have chosen your equipment your plumbing is the next step. This is one of the most important. Whoever you hire for your builder make sure you find someone that understands pool hydraulics. It will save you money and be safer with proper pipe sizing.

    Bookmark   July 20, 2014 at 12:21AM
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lilsophie

I'm still following this thread, it's a great one. Can't wait to see more progress. Keep pics coming please!!

    Bookmark   July 20, 2014 at 9:15PM
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dumbcluck

pump, filter and easy touch qualify for 3 year warranty. raypak heaters get much better reviews and are reportedly quieter.
I think 2" pipe all around except maybe 2 1/2" or possibly even 3" for the spa jets depending on how many we decide to use.
I will try and run the pipe myself and have builder just do terminations if possible to save a few bucks.
I will also probably handle the electrical part myself.

    Bookmark   July 22, 2014 at 9:21PM
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lilsophie

Thanks for the update dumbcluck!!

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 5:15PM
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angiedfw

This is awesome! I hope you can find tile that exactly matches the existing, because that is GREAT tile, from what I can see. Love the color--wish I could have found something like it. Good luck with everything :D

    Bookmark   July 31, 2014 at 1:39PM
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dumbcluck

these are the tiles and coping we will likely be using for spa.

    Bookmark   July 31, 2014 at 8:42PM
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dumbcluck

and the coping...

    Bookmark   July 31, 2014 at 8:43PM
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dumbcluck

and for the waterline on the pool.

    Bookmark   July 31, 2014 at 8:44PM
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lilsophie

Very nice, love the coping and tile choices!

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 10:39PM
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dumbcluck

thanks. in the process of painting the block wall that surrounds the property (and pool) white.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 12:42AM
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dumbcluck

Plans have been approved and permits are pulled.
Demo starts tomorrow.
New pics soon!

    Bookmark   August 21, 2014 at 2:50PM
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banana_fanna

Woot! Good luck, dumbcluck. LOL

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 10:01AM
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peytonroad

thank you for posting, it is interesting to see this thru!

    Bookmark   August 24, 2014 at 10:36PM
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dumbcluck

Demo started

    Bookmark   August 25, 2014 at 12:31PM
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dumbcluck

Steel for spa started today.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2014 at 9:08PM
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lilsophie

Nice, keep pics coming :)

    Bookmark   August 29, 2014 at 9:09PM
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coll_123

Very interesting thread. Didn't even know people did things like fill a pool with dirt! The previous owners must have really hated that thing, lol! I've always heard people hated the maintenance of pools, once they had one. but I myself would kill for a private pool if I lived in a warm enough locale. Good luck!

    Bookmark   August 29, 2014 at 9:24PM
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banana_fanna

I grew up with a 38'x50' freeform gunite pool in the yard. We kids loved it, but my dad was always 'threatening' to fill it in and install a putting green. "Less work, more fun", he'd say. Yeah, for HIM. In the late 1970s, it wasn't easy in our township to fill in a pool. Permits had to be pulled, the concrete had to be broken up and hauled away and then filled with dirt. I believe the estimate back then was $10,000 just for demo. We kept the pool. Now my brother owns the house. My dad loves swimming in that pool now. LOL

    Bookmark   August 30, 2014 at 1:02AM
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banana_fanna

P.S. The white walls look great, btw.

    Bookmark   August 30, 2014 at 1:08AM
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dumbcluck

anyone on here have any knowledge of the Pentair intellibrite landscape lights? pictures or info greatly appreciated.
thanks

    Bookmark   September 8, 2014 at 8:54PM
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dumbcluck

progress

    Bookmark   September 11, 2014 at 11:01PM
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dumbcluck

longer shot of pool and spa

    Bookmark   September 11, 2014 at 11:04PM
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lilsophie

Wow it's coming along nicely, so awesome to watch :)

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 4:53PM
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zagyzebra

Hey dumb cluck...I'm considering resurfacing a 1931(!) pool that is in sort of a grotto environment. I've been told by one pool guy that you have to build a new wall over the existing pool wall about one foot deep. Have you heard this? When I first moved in I tried to fill up the existing pool but it leaked like a sieve and the pool was unweilldy and large, so we couldn't be sure where it was coming from. We filled it with dirt and put a large pond in the center instead. All these many (18) years later, I now want to resurrect at least part of that old pool. I can definitely use two of the old walls. Does anyone on this forum have opinions on how to properly resurface an existing pool?

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 8:34AM
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Kellytex

This is awesome! Have you completed this project? I am new to this website and forum and I am totally entranced by this project!!! Please please post pics!

    Bookmark   September 18, 2014 at 4:56PM
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dumbcluck

Still working on it. Coping and tile going in this week.
Zz it would depend on how the structure looks. You would likely need an engineer to sign it off depending on your location.
Did you punch holes in the bottom for drainage? If not it is probably pretty swampy down there unless it really leaks hard.
Anything is possible. With our pool the structure was ok. We just had to reshoot and box in the bottom holes with new rebar.
It should hold up well and will be like a brand new pool when completed.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 3:23PM
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dumbcluck

here is the pool coping

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 12:00AM
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dumbcluck

and the spa coping

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 12:02AM
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dumbcluck

started on tiles today.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 7:59PM
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banana_fanna

Omg. This is SO good! Love it all.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 10:24PM
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dumbcluck

a little more eye candy.
still a few spots need touching up but we are not expecting perfection. though it would be nice.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2014 at 10:01PM
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dumbcluck

this is after grout.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2014 at 1:48PM
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samhain10

This is amazing to watch. I'm another lurker who's been checking on progress, but I just wanted to applaud you. It's already beautiful.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2014 at 9:02PM
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samhain10

Somehow I duplicated this post, but at least I can edit it to say: Sorry about that. :)

This post was edited by samhain10 on Sat, Sep 27, 14 at 21:08

    Bookmark   September 27, 2014 at 9:03PM
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whitetrash

@ samhain10: I totally agree with you. I'm a long-time board member and this is my all-time favorite thread. This is truly amazing to watch. Can't get enough of these pictures and updates. Thanks @dumbcluck and keep them coming.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2014 at 12:43AM
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banana_fanna

Yesssssss. Looks great.

This post was edited by banana_fanna on Sun, Sep 28, 14 at 13:29

    Bookmark   September 28, 2014 at 1:27PM
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maddielee

looks great! Thanks for keeping us up to date.

ML

    Bookmark   September 29, 2014 at 11:34AM
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dumbcluck

thanks guys and gals.
pouring deck next week. then hook up equipment, plaster and water.
a couple more weeks and we should be up and running. (swimming)

    Bookmark   October 2, 2014 at 11:25PM
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lilsophie

Tile looks fantastic, love the updates :)

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 11:15PM
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dumbcluck

Deck poured. Salt finish applied.

    Bookmark   October 13, 2014 at 2:43PM
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lilsophie

Wow, Amazing from where this pool redo began. Keep the pics coming!!

    Bookmark   October 14, 2014 at 4:32PM
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dumbcluck

Equipment ready for hookup.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 2:29PM
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dumbcluck

Equipment plumbed in ready for me to hook up electrical.

    Bookmark   October 22, 2014 at 8:30PM
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dumbcluck

A shot from outside pool area of fence, enclosure and freshly stuccoed wall.

    Bookmark   October 22, 2014 at 8:32PM
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Ninkasi

this is awesome, enjoying the resurrection!

    Bookmark   October 22, 2014 at 8:47PM
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Damien99

Great job, I'm wondering what state you're in? As a pool plumber for 22 years the Eq set is all the plumbing the customer sees. The advancement in Eq skyrocketed the last 10 years vs plumbing techniques. Great skate pic wish I would have found this in the beginning. Well enjoy it.

    Bookmark   October 26, 2014 at 2:28AM
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dumbcluck

Long beach. California.

    Bookmark   October 28, 2014 at 2:41PM
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emh8

So glad I clicked on today! Haven't been on this website in a while.

This is so interesting!

Best of luck and post more pictures!

    Bookmark   November 3, 2014 at 10:26AM
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dumbcluck

getting plastered.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2014 at 5:16PM
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dumbcluck

and fill er up please.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2014 at 5:19PM
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samhain10

Wow. Can't think of anything more profound to say. It's beautiful. What a great job!

    Bookmark   November 17, 2014 at 12:01AM
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lilsophie

Wow, it looks great. What a wonderful transformation to see. Great job, love it!!

    Bookmark   November 19, 2014 at 10:58PM
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Damien99

Long Beach small world. The tile and plaster just look awesome, lets see the Eq from the heater to pool. Pipe sizing is all correct.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2014 at 10:51AM
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dumbcluck

here is the equipment pad.
I did all the electrical myself.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2014 at 9:42PM
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dumbcluck

here is a fresh shot from the diving platform. err, I mean garage roof.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2014 at 9:57PM
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dumbcluck

one from the deep end.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2014 at 10:00PM
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samhain10

This has been an amazing pictorial adventure - thanks for bringing us along with you. :)

    Bookmark   November 23, 2014 at 9:34AM
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banana_fanna

Turned out awesome! A classic.

I wish I would've put a little step on my deep end stepout like you did.

Been in yet?

    Bookmark   November 24, 2014 at 4:59PM
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dumbcluck

Still balancing chemicals.
Haven't really been in yet other than to brush.
Haven't turned on heater or swg yet.

    Bookmark   November 24, 2014 at 8:26PM
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dumbcluck

Had a thanksgiving party here kids loved the pool. Everything went great. At the end of the night I went to switch back from spa top pool more and can't get the pump to prime.
Possible air leak on skimmer pipe.
Dang.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2014 at 4:49PM
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oldfixer

Great transformation from a prior hole to a new hole. Noticed the 10 month gap in posting when the empty hole appeared. Glad you came back and kept this one going all the way. Enjoy the satisfaction of your new recreation.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2014 at 5:21PM
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dumbcluck

Weir door was installed wrong. All is good now.
10 month gap was the "trying to convince my wife to do this" period of time. She wasn't initially on board.
Happy now though. Kids love it.

    Bookmark   November 30, 2014 at 1:27PM
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angelinamike

All of your ideas are great but still if you need any help of the swimming pool repair and maintenance, feel free to invite the services of http://swimrightpools.com/

Here is a link that might be useful: Swim Right Pool

    Bookmark   December 1, 2014 at 4:10PM
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lilsophie

So loved following this pool redo. It turned out fabulous. You must be so proud. Amazing transformation :)

    Bookmark   December 2, 2014 at 9:27PM
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