Granite countertop meeting the wall...wall not straight

eks6426March 16, 2010

So, I get templated for granite tomorrow. Granite guy asked if I picked out a tile yet and I told him that I have not and in fact, I might not do tile. I just want the granite all the way to the edge of the wall.

My house is old and the walls are definitely not straight. Granite guy said this will be a big challenge when templating and that there will likely be some gaps in places...not big but bigger than he thinks looks good. Or he can push the granite into the drywall in places so it can be evened out. Or he can make a piece of quarter round to put at the back edge (hate this idea).

What do others do in this situation?

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writersblock

I'm kind of puzzled by your granite guy. The whole reason for templating is so that the granite can be cut to fit the space. Hardly any house (even newer ones) has perfectly straight walls, and they template so they know how to scribe the granite to make it fit properly.

This sounds like prefab and don't ask for any customization, at least IMHO.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 10:56AM
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ak0402

I agree with Writersblock. No walls could be more out of plumb than mine, and my granite fabricator just dealt with it, as an everday occurrence for him, certainly not a "challenge" as you/he put it. My counters have no gaps, everything looks great, and I have tile down to the countertop. Is it too late to find another fabricator?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 11:11AM
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azstoneconsulting

Ditto to what Writersblock has said...

I'd have to say that based on your description in your OP - your fabricator
does not have the skills of a pro (or at least the template guy shows that they
don't know how to "scribe" to a wall - and YES - it CAN be done)....

Some guys will "oversize" the piece - depth wise - and cut the drywall so the
stone slides in UNDER the drywall that's been cut - to give that "scribed look"..

What you are asking for is NOT rocket science - insist on having them do
what YOU want to make YOU happy. They may charge you an up-charge, but
hey - YOU will be the one looking at your stone EVERY day you're in your
kitchen - so get what you WANT... don't "settle" for something that's 2nd classs..

just my .02 cents worth - but this is very easily managed from a Fabrication
standpoint, and should be done right the first time...

hth

kevin

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 11:14AM
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kristine_2009

I was told the same thing actually, but we are putting up tile so I am just dealing with the gap for now. The filled the gap with some kind of epoxy.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 11:17AM
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rtorgy1

My fabricator told me the same, that the saw cuts in a straight line, and where the wall is not straight, I do have a small gap, but I am tiling down to the countertop. At the corner where there would have been a larger gap, they did what kevin says, they cut the drywall and slid the slab in. I didn't think it was any big deal. I would just do that if you are not sure if you are going to tile or not.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 11:27AM
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clg7067

I never heard of scribing granite. I thought they always cut back the drywall or fill the gap with epoxy.

Just think of the labor charge!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 11:45AM
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eks6426

Hmm, I'm pretty sure granite guys knows his stuff. He is considered the best in the area by many of my interior designer friends. Granite guy mentioned he will scribe, but it is hard to get it perfect when a wall has basically an S curve to it. He will try, but he's afraid there will still be a gap in some places. We'll talk more about options tomorrow. I know I don't want the quarter round type piece. I could handle sticking into the drywall if necessary.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 1:32PM
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davidro1

To oversize the depth a tad, and cut drywall so it slides in under the drywall that's been cut. is....
It's one straight cut.
Why is it second class to do this? What part is bad about this?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 5:03PM
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azstoneconsulting

Jesus Mary & Joseph!!!!

Holy Shnykies!!! Does this guy have half a brain or what?

OF Frickin COURSE a bridge saw is going to cut in straight line...

Scribing is what we PROFESSIONALS use a 4" grinder for.... sounds
like you are doing business with "Putz & Son Granite *& Marble" or
maybe more like "QUANTITY Stone".... this guy CAN'T HAVE been doing Fabricating
very long - I mean - C'MON MAN!!! GET A CLUE!!!!

Maybe he needs to come to my school so I can teach him how to do things right....

TO me - your fabricator sounds more like a whinner-baby... like I said
before - REAL Fabricators can do the "scribe: to an "S" wall - sure it's
not the most fun thing to do, but with a good template and experience -
this can be done all day long and twice on Sundays.......

sorry for going off - but this guy masquerading as a "fabricator" slays me!

kevin

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 5:03PM
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dcwesley

Well - I sholuld have read this about 3 weeks ago. Our granite is being installed as we speak. Our walls were not straight eithr of course. And we have not decided what to do about a backsplash. Maybe tile. Maybe nothing. So he cut back into the drywall in a couple of spots and made the gap less. Can't really tell you how it looks yet. They are still here - getting ready to cut the cooktop and faucet holes.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 6:46PM
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rtorgy1

wow...

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 7:23PM
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buffalotina

I would not accept them cutting into my drywall. My walls are definitely not straight and my granite was nicely scribed to fit. Good luck!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 10:09PM
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morgne

For what this is worth (and I'm kinda assuming very little...) My husband and I fabricated soapstone counters ourselves out of full size slabs. He did the templating while I fussed at him and it didn't occur to us that there was an option to scribing the wall.

I know soapstone isn't granite but our slabs follow the wall exactly.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2010 at 10:43PM
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mimitche

I just had granite installed and my kitchen had very uneven walls- almost s curves in spots. We did not do a granite backsplash; our backsplash will be all tile so it was important that there was a tight fit between the back of the granite and the wall.

Our fabricator notched out the drywall where needed to ensure that the granite had a consistent and tight fit to the wall. It looks great- I'm not sure why this would be considered 2nd class.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2010 at 10:19AM
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azstoneconsulting

mimitche-

Maybe I was a little P.O.'d when I wrote my last reply on this thread - so
can I backtrack a little?

OK - when a guy notches out the drywall - IMHO - that is NOT second class at all.

I used to do this when I did not have the luxury of a water jet to cut any contour
I wanted (like scribing)....

It's VERY easy to ubersize (oversize) a piece - especially depth wise - and cut
a notch or slot in the dry wall so the stone slide in - under the bottom edge
of the drywall - so the drywall is stiing on top of the stone.
This is done all the time by quality Fabricators (with a capital "F")...

What gets MY hackles in a knot - are these knuckle heads that call themselves
"fabricators" ( with a small "f") that blame their inability to contour to a wall
because their bridge saw or skill saw will only cut in a straight line -
News Flash = COURSE that's how it cuts!!!

They don't know any better - and/or refuse to try to learn any new techniques
of producing better quality work. That's either just plain "laziness" or
simple "stupidity" in my book.....

Don't get me wrong - sliding stone under drywall that has been notched out
is certainly NOT 2nd class... Refusing to give a customer a nice tight fit
up against a wall that has waviness is just unacceptable - especially when a guy
CAN do this - but won't, and blames it on a lame excuse like...
"Well - my saw only cuts straight......" :-@

hth

kevin

    Bookmark   March 17, 2010 at 10:38AM
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remodelfla

kevin... don't CNC machines solve this problem?

    Bookmark   March 17, 2010 at 10:56AM
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azstoneconsulting

Remodelfla -

Yes, a CNC machine - IF properly utilized - CAN cut a contour to a wall - but
only IF a physical template is brought in and "digitized" into the CNC program -
OR - a digital template system is used to make a "tracing" of the wall contour,
and then THAT dxf file if imported into the CNC "make" program....

IMHO - If a guy just makes a statement like "the piece can only be made
straight" - he's not really got a lot of smarts - or experience - or both.....

hth

kevin

    Bookmark   March 17, 2010 at 11:20AM
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oldryder

I am a fabricator:

uneven walls are an every day occurrence. when there is granite backsplash there is some wiggle room although really crooked walls can also present challenges for making the splash look good.

scribing the sheetrock is a very acceptable practice.

a detailed manual template or, better yet, an electronic template made with one of the digital templating systems, can allow the fabricator to cut the stone to match the curve(s) in the wall. this "crooked" cut can be done on either a waterjet machine or after sawing on the CNC.

there is one instance where simply matching the wall is not a good option. We have done some homes where the full height splash was embossed sheet metal (copper or stainless)

in these instances it is important to have the "waves" in the wall fixed by "floating" the sheetrock as the waves become very apparent with the highly reflective sheet metal backsplash.

when we measure our measure guys put long straight edges on the wall to show the customer how straight (or not) the wall is so options for dealing with it can be discussed prior to fabrication.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2013 at 11:11PM
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