Problem with my painter and FPE

domesticahJuly 2, 2011

Okay, I am almost ready to throw away $200. I hired what I thought was a good painter (came highly recommended) to paint my new kitchen cabinets. He is not finished, has almost finished the prep and is getting ready to paint Tuesday.

Did one sample door and one coat of FPE is nowhere near covering. He told me it's gonna take another 2 coats to cover and he must charge me an additional 1500. He keeps saying that FPE is so thin -- its like lacqer. I am thinking of scraping the 2 gallons of FPE and letting him paint in BM -- that is how worried he has got me.

It is my fault: I asked him to use FPE instead of BM, which he never used before. He primed with BM and not FPE. Then he prepped. So far, I am not completely happy with his prep work (I am very anal, but I see some nail holes and roughish spots in the corners).

He is used to working with BM which I guess is a little thicker and hides imperfections in the prep (and yes, I know it is all in the prep!!)

What to do? I just want my cabinets to look good. He has already worked 3 days. Should I ask him to put another coat of primer?

By the way, his price is 3500 + paint (so closer to 4000). 2 and 1/2 guys (the owner does a little work, but more breaks than work). In am sick about this.

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Faron79

Oh no...this is terrible!!!!

What FPE paint is he using?!
ECO, Eurolux, Hollandlac??

Faron

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 10:44AM
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paintguy22

It's true that FPE is thin and it doesn't cover very well, but coverage many times depends on the color and how dark what you are painting over is. It may take an additional two coats even with the BM. Usually, I don't like to do mulitiple coats of primer because the primer generally covers worse than the topcoats so it's better to just do multiple coats of paint. If you are painting over some dark stained cabinets this is why we usually try to spray. The paint covers very easily that way.

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 10:45AM
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domesticah

Hi, Thanks for responding. He is using Hollandlac -- should he have used eco? These are "new wood" but the center board is a little darker...here is a picture pre paint:

Do you think there is a problem using the BM primer? Thanks again for responding.

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 11:14AM
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Faron79

Domesticah-

I don't think Hollandlac is thin AT ALL!!

What color are you using?
Are they removing doors to paint them?

I played around with "Coach Green" in Hollandlac Brilliant.
DAMN that sample-board looks nice!
It's a beautiful deep "British Racing Green" kinda color.
I can literally see letters from newspaper-print in the finish....(and I used a crappy foam brush!!!!!!)

Upon reviewing FPE's "Specifier Manual" for Hollandlac....
* "New unpainted surfaces..."...."primer coat should be sanded with 220-grit paper & tacked clean before receiving 2 thin, even coats of H-B.
* "Allow each coat to dry OVERNIGHT.
* Read that line AGAIN....!
* Normally, sanding between coats isn't required.
* But, their manual does note..."for areas subject to close eye contact (e.g. your cabinets!!), we recommend a light sanding with 220 or higher grit paper between coats."
* This sanding would obviously have to wait 24 hours after 1st coat!

>>> His priming isn't the issue here!!! Although...
* If you want an absolute glass-like finish, their Swedish-Putty (Enduit), OR Brushing-Putty are very high-build bases that sand easily.
* These primers are what's used on some of those GORGEOUS High-Gloss old European doors!
* So if ya want your cabs to look like the door of a Porsche or Bugatti, these are the bases to use!

This stuff doesn't handle like other paints...TO ME anyway!

Another note:
Color doesn't really matter with FPE!
* The colorants themselves aren't like normal U.S. liquid colorant. FPE's are closer to a PASTE.
* I also used Eurolux Matte tinted to "Wine Red".
* Applied to a WHITE-primed board on purpose, using a crappy foam brush again!
* Pulled coat REAL THIN. Couldn't see thru it...AT ALL. COMPLETELY opaque. Applied another coat later in the day. Then torture-tested it the next day....
* Therefore, I kinda shake my head when people think some of these are thin! I have the complete opposite opinion!
* I've also painted my bath with Eurolux Matte "Brown Cafe". I'm hooked now....

Faron

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 4:15PM
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sombreuil_mongrel

I think the problem is the painter. In my experience with hollandlac, limited though it is, it covers like syrup on pancakes.
The black door in the background is one coat over a previous coat of red:

It's the best paint I have ever been around.
Casey

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 4:36PM
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domesticah

Thanks Faron and sombreuil_mongrel for your responses. Faron -- thanks for the heads up about the 24 hour wait between coats. He has sanded after the primer and will be sure he uses tack clothe -- but does he need to sand after the first coat of paint as well? Thanks!

    Bookmark   July 2, 2011 at 8:59PM
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Faron79

Sanding after 1st coat....
Depends how good the 1st coat turned out!

>>> If you're a little on the fussy side, then-yes. Obviously though, it'll cost more labor $$.
>>> Remember...24 hours b4 "decent sandability"!
>>> 220 or higher grit.
>>> Also- Take lots of b4/after pics from different angles, etc. Turn on all lights, even in daytime, and use flash.
>>> Hang a couple furnace-filters near the area after spraying them with Filter-Charger. This will attract airborne dust TO THE FILTER, and less so to the wet cabs.
>>> Have A/C running with a new filter as well, also sprayed with f-c.

SM-
That's a cool shot!
That black door looks pretty stud!

Faron

    Bookmark   July 3, 2011 at 12:29AM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

He is using Hollandlac -- should he have used eco

He(the painter) is using what you gave him.He has already admitted that he was not familiar with the product. Cut the guy some slack, let him do his job, then see how it turns out. I think you are freeking out a little early.Just my opinion as a painter would see it.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2011 at 7:01AM
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paintguy22

I don't know how I would respond if a customer told me to use a tack cloth either. I don't own one, have never used one and have never really had a problem getting wood smooth.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2011 at 1:43PM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

I have one, down at the bottom of a bucket somewhere,never been used

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 7:29AM
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graywings123

So, if you guys don't use a tack cloth after you sand, how do you get the tiny particles off?

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 9:45AM
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paintguy22

I use a dust brush, which is really just a paint brush that was no longer good enough to paint with.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 10:26AM
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aunttomichael

Can you post a picture of the sample door painted with one coat of FPE?

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 6:33PM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

I use a dust brush, which is really just a paint brush that was no longer good enough to paint with.

That and a damp rag

    Bookmark   July 5, 2011 at 7:19AM
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