Is Benjamin Moore 'Ben' paint low end?

jamie81April 9, 2012

Trying to figure out exterior paints. Visited the Benjamin Moore store in my area, and they had "Ben" exterior which I have never seen. Is this their low end paint. I have heard of Regal, but they did not carry that. Any help?

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jessicaml

My Ace only carries Ben in exterior, Ben and Regal Select in interior. We can order Regal Select exterior, but we only had room to do the minimum that Benjamin Moore requires, so Ben is what we stock. It is a lower line than Regal Select, but I've had good feedback on it. Both Ben and Regal Select are part of BM's Gennex line of paint, where the colorant doesn't add any VOC. I just saw that BM is coming out with a new line in their Gennex paint (the names escapes me right now), which would be the cheaper, entry level. BEN would be the next up, then Regal Select, then Aura. I wouldn't call Ben "low-end", but you could step it up if you want premium quality.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2012 at 8:49PM
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jamie81

I am just looking for a good quality exterior paint. Hopefully something that won't break the bank. I have read in other posts to stay away from the low end BM and SW paints, and I wasn't sure what they were referring to. The store wasn't much help

    Bookmark   April 9, 2012 at 9:05PM
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jessicaml

I suspect they mean Superspec and other contractor-type BM lines (I'm not familiar with them aside from reading on GW).

    Bookmark   April 9, 2012 at 9:33PM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

From best to not

Here is a link that might be useful: BM exterior paints

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 5:41AM
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paintguy22

I tried the Ben exterior paint one time and thought it was crap. Stick with Moorguard for exterior. You don't want to compromise with exterior paints. If your Ace doesn't have it, then find a real BM supplier.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 3:13PM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

I agree with paintguy, but, it looked like they no longer have mooreguard? I always used soft gloss and liked it.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 5:47PM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

nix that last post, they do still make it and it is very good quality. I use it on my own home.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 5:51PM
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paintguy22

Well Benjamin Moore is just going crazy now with all these brands and lines. A painter can't keep it straight much less a homeowner. Regal and Regal Select? I just wonder when the big dogs are sitting around the marketing table, why nobody would mention, "Hey, don't you think this is going to create some confusion?"

And then someone else would say, "Yes, that's the point...to create enough confusion so that everyone will just buy Aura!" And then another guy will chime in, "Yes, and while we are at it, let's lower the quality of all all the lesser lines to give even more motivation for everyone to buy Aura. We know that our brand name is strong enough now so that everyone won't switch to Sherwin Williams, right?"

Discuss this and other conspiracy theories amongst yourselves.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 6:52PM
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jessicaml

"If your Ace doesn't have it, then find a real BM supplier."

Well that was snarky, but I agree about the confusion in BM's product selection and have heard nothing but praise for MoorGaurd.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 8:35PM
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paintguy22

What does snarky mean?
I just meant that Ace seems to be carrying only certain lines now and it is totally worth it to shop somewhere else in order to get the proper paint.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 11:38PM
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paintguy1

Perhaps this will help minimize the confusion:

http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/for-your-home/product-catalog#advs=0amp;tab=0

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 9:01AM
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jessicaml

snarky [ÃÂsnÃÂÃÂkê]
adj
Informal unpleasant and scornful
[from sarcastic + nasty]

I just get a little prickly at the idea that not carrying the full BM line makes my store less than a "real" BM distributor. We're real, just limited. However, if my customers want a product I don't have and can't get, I'm happy to help them find another source.

Some Ace stores do carry the full BM line. They have to order directly from BM and probably stocked BM before the advent of the Gennex paints. Others only carry the Gennex lines due to reasons regarding distribution and product assortment.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 8:59PM
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jessicaml

Addendum: I'm admittedly over-sensitive to the word "real" in the context it gets used on here, ie: real paint store, real BM store. In my part of the country, both are few and far between. However, I realize people will give the best advice they can in the way that they see things, and that's what's great about GW. Even though I dislike the "real" comments, I don't expect anyone to censor themselves on my behalf. ;)

Jamie, my apologies for the thread hijack! Did you make any decisions about what to use?

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 9:10PM
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paintguy22

Sorry Jessica, I really didn't even know you worked for an Ace store. Obviously, it wasn't my intent to be unpleasant and scornful. My Ace has stopped carrying the Moorguard too. It's not like I shop there often, but it's closer than my other supplier. I'm not going to go so far as to say it upsets me, but if that Ace store is not carrying the good stuff anymore, then it's not a 'real' option for me as a place where I can buy BM paint. It's true they still sell paint there, but just not what I need.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 9:44PM
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jamie81

Actually when I asked about exterior paints they said "Ben" was their only Benjamin Moore exterior paint, which surprised me.

Since I have hit a brick wall as far as my color is concerned, the type of paint is the least of my problems....

Thanks for all the input. Once I figure out my color, I think I will try the other Benjamin Moore store thats a little further away. I will look for Moorguard.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2012 at 5:22PM
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Lori A. Sawaya

When I lived in Ohio, had my choice of BenM stores. Now I live in Texas and there isn't a real BenM store for miles and miles.

If I want BenM, I have to go to an ACE store. They have exactly one employee who can (will) mix BenM paint. If he's not there, you have to go back.

When you can finally catch up with him, he does a mighty fine job mixing up real BenM colors in real BenM paint.

:)

Exterior products I like to spec are BenM Moorgard and SW Super Paint. Super paint is one of the best values at that price point and grade for the money. Also, Super Paint satin has a nice lustre to it - not too shiny. (disclaimer that darker colors can show shinier)

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 12:04AM
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graya

I learned this lesson the hard way - purchased $900 worth of 'Ben' exterior flat paint for my Certainteed Cement Siding, and it didn't "lay right" according to my painter. He tried to spray & brush it, and it had streaks and discoloration. Maybe it was because of the color (a medium to dark gray), but we ended up switching to Porter paint and it worked fine. The rep wouldn't refund any of the amount because he said it looked fine to him... so I'm stuck with $900 worth of useless paint.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 12:10AM
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Christopher Nelson Wallcovering and Painting

quote" The rep wouldn't refund any of the amount because he said it looked fine to him... so I'm stuck with $900 worth of useless paint."

A Ben Moore rep??

Donate to habitat for humanity

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 4:21AM
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