Darn... I thought I was all done

WendyBFebruary 8, 2014

Recently finished painting an accent wall with Regal Select Matte a kinda dark color. I did 2 generous coats. Yesterday I noticed that squares of the sample swatches are showing through if seen at a certain angle with the light shining on it. I think its from the sheen differences. The color & coverage is totally fine head on. Damn....shoulda primed it. Never thought that I wouldn't get good coverage!!

The issue is only on the left side as seen on this picture. Maybe the right side has the same issue but the lighting is different and does not show anything.

So now what?

(1) Prime those spots now and do multiple coats on that side? (I could tint the primer a bit by mixing some paint in it for the first coat).

(2) Just go for a third coat on that side and cross fingers that I will fix the sheen issue?

I guess my biggest concern is how extra coats on one side will blend with the rest of the wall. I don't have enough paint to do the whole wall, nor do I want to. That makes me think that Option 2 is probably my best bet.

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Faron79

This is EXACTLY why I always tell customers at our store...NOT...to paint those damn "sample-squares" on the wall!!!

Use Foamboard samples instead! This way, you can "move" your samples to different areas in the room, and...you'll have a realistic sample to take shopping for other decor options!

Now the "Bad" news...you can put on 17 more coats...it won't make a difference. You'll STILL see the original profile of those "extra" coats of sample paint.
Priming and sheen differences wouldn't have changed anything.....if you follow my logic here!

>>> It's the "altered profile" of your wall that you're seeing at angles. It doesn't take much change to be visible, as you're finding out now....

Faron

    Bookmark   February 8, 2014 at 6:20PM
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paintguy22

Actually, customers do this to me all the time and primer does help. The problem with Benjamin Moore products is that they are not really as good at self priming as other brands. What I do is prime over the color swatch areas, then prime the entire wall corner to corner. If that doesn't work, I may skim coat over the samples then prime the whole wall again.

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 8:31AM
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WendyB

Interesting....Do you think Aura have done a better job? I usually use it but for one wall I couldn't justify shelling out premium bucks at the time. Although, the profile theory says it would not have helped either.

I do use foam boards to start with -- I have 2 milk crates full of them from over the years!! But when it gets down to the wire and its really close, I like to actually put paint on the wall to get a true feel.

So I tried a third coat yesterday on just the bad section without priming and it did improve the situation, but I can still see the squares. Probably at this point, it is only me who will know it is there. I saved the tray and roller in plastic. If they are still usable this morning maybe I will go over it one more time.

I can't detect any break in the wall (yet) from the multi-coat area to the two-coat wall. That was my biggest concern - that I would take a small problem and make it a big problem!!

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 9:19AM
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paintguy22

In my experience, Aura is the worst of all Benjamin Moore lines at self priming. It's gotten so bad lately, I've stopped using it.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 12:13AM
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CEFreeman

Oh, no.
I have paint squares all over my entire house.
Much of my drywall isn't finished yet, so I can skim coat the darker ones.

Well. I'm glad I read this thread.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 2:00PM
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WendyB

@CEF glad I posted it and could help. It really seems to depend on the lighting and viewing at just the wrong angle during a bright day.

I think if I were doing it again I would just prime the squares. As a matter of fact, that's what I've done in the past. I just wasn't thinking this time. Got sucked in by the self-priming new and improved marketing crapola.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 2:32PM
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Faron79

Many of you may know this already, but as I said above, priming in-and-of-itself won't do ANYTHING to change the samples profile-HEIGHT.
All you're really doing in THESE kind of cases is just adding another layer of a coating. Doesn't matter WHAT it is...it's just another layer that will reveal the added thickness of the "samples" underneath it.

Faron

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 11:13PM
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CEFreeman

Do you suggest I sand the squares?
I get the Profile part and what you mean. Essentially it's adding a layer of texture -- which I can see on some of the squares I've painted.

Oh, shoot. Just another thing.

    Bookmark   February 11, 2014 at 11:15AM
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jellytoast

Paintguy ... slight highjack ... I'm painting the exterior of my house with BM paint ... does the whole thing need to be primed first since their paints aren't so good at "self-priming"? I shudder to think of doing three coats.

    Bookmark   February 13, 2014 at 7:38PM
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WendyB

Faron, I get the profile thing in theory, but an extra coat resolved most of the problem, so I'm not convinced.

I know I've primed samples in the past and never had a problem (albeit the problem only will show up in certain lighting so I can't know for certain if the previous priming had the desired impact).

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 9:24PM
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