Replacing hardwood flooring in 65 year old house

little_eNovember 26, 2012

I have a 65 year old house that I am replacing all the maple strip hardwood in. The first floor has pine diagonal subflooring, looks like one by six planks. I have an unfinished basement and so I can see that it appears to be in really good shape and I don't think I will need additional subflooring layer down on top of that before the new hardwood. The second floor also has pine planks that run perpendicular to the joists but on this floor I can tell that a lot of the planks have come loose from the joists. The squeaks are unbelievably loud and sounds like the old hardwood and subfloor planks are moving up and down a fair bit in some places. Once I rip out the existing strip hardwood, I'd like to just screw down all the subflooring back to the joists. What types of screws do you use for this? Will normal wood screws suffice? I'd like to avoid having to put additional subflooring on top, such as one quarter ply, as the budget is tight. Has anyone had good success with eliminating squeaks with just screwing down planks to the joists and then new flooring on top of this? Thanks.

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brickeyee

"What types of screws do you use for this?"

Anything excet drywal screws.

Try McFeeley's.

You can even rent a drill that allows you to stand up and drive paper collated screws.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2012 at 1:51PM
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Clarion

Yes, screws should correct your squeaks. And wood screw wood be fine.

I guess my question is: Why are we replacing 65 year old wood flooring with the stuff that is sold today? I am concerned that you might have been ill advised...

    Bookmark   November 27, 2012 at 7:26PM
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little_e

Thanks. Main reason is the noise from the existing floors. When you walk around on the floors it sounds like bombs going off (a bit dramatic). It's the subfloor planks that have come loose from the joists. The nails are moving and it is so loud that my two kids wake up at night if I walk over their rooms. It is affecting the enjoyment of the house and I can't fix it without tearing out the existing floors.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2012 at 8:50PM
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columbusguy1

Wouldn't it be cheaper to re-use the old flooring? You may lose a few boards at the edges, but nearly all of it should come up fine.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2012 at 9:21PM
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mike_kaiser_gw

They make special screws for exactly your problem. They're designed so that the screw head breaks off just under the surface of the wood leaving just a small hole to be filled.

Tom Silva of Ask This Old House demonstrates how to use the product in the attached link. It's the last segment of the show.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ask This Old House

    Bookmark   November 28, 2012 at 7:59AM
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lazy_gardens

I would seriously try to salvage - or at least sell to someone - all that maple strip hardwood.

Relay as much as possible in the main public areas, then fill in the less visible areas with modern flooring.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2012 at 10:12AM
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brickeyee

No wood you can grow now will be as good as that old wood.

If the underside of the floor is accessible from below, you may be able to drive screws from there

    Bookmark   November 28, 2012 at 3:51PM
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little_e

Thanks for the tips. I've pulled up a few strips to test how it will go and it is so dry a lot of it just splinters and cracks. The planks underneath look like they were salvaged themselves...some are one by ten, some one by six.
Also looking for any suggestions on how to remove the hardwood strips that are underneath some cabinetry. I had some custom cabinets installed over top of the existing hardwood floor some time ago. They can't be moved. Someone suggested using a dremel to cut the hardwood flush to the cabinet. Not sure there are any other techniques.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2012 at 10:03PM
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columbusguy1

I forgot about the screws mike kaiser mentioned! I'd use those where needed, and fill the holes...and keep the original flooring you have. Fill in the few you took up with newer or salvaged wood.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2012 at 10:47PM
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lazy_gardens

It's splintering and cracking because it's maple - hard, durable and brittle. And prying boards up is guaranteed to destroy them. You have to remove them by reversing the motion it took to install them.

The screws look like the easy way out, and the least expensive, if you haven't reached the point of no return on the removal.

If you want to salvage the wood - and it's selling for $5+ per square foot as salvage - buy an oscillating multi-tool and several metal-cutting blades. Slice through the nails under the boards and coax the board loose. If you can work from the side with the tongues, the nails are accessible and the boards easiest to remove.

It's faster, and easier and saves more boards.

Remove the molding and use a wood-cutting blade on the multi-tool to slice out around the cabinets, but accept that it's going to be difficult to impossible to do a clean job, and the new floor will abruptly end at the cabinets. If appearance matters a lot, remove the cabinets, take up all the floor, put down the new floor and re-install the cabinets.

    Bookmark   November 30, 2012 at 10:28AM
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little_e

Appreciate the advice everyone.

    Bookmark   December 3, 2012 at 3:25PM
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