Your thoughts on regular vs. spray foam insulation?

clax66October 21, 2010

Hello,

Interested in hearing your thoughts/experience in using regular insulation vs. the spray foam insulation.

Our sunroom adjacent to our master bedroom sits on top of our back deck and consequently has 5 exposed walls. Quotes for spray foam insulation are about $2,000 CDN, substantially more expensive then regular insulation.

We plan on putting in a baseboard heater in the sunroom and so we're wondering if we'll have sufficient heat during our cold winter months (up to -20 degrees celsius in January).

Is spray foam realy worth the extra expense?

thanks in advance,

Mira

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worthy

If you're just filling between existing studs/rafters there's no particular advantage. But more details are needed.

    Bookmark   October 21, 2010 at 8:48PM
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Moccasin

Mira, do you really live where it is -20 CELCIUS?

I have never experienced foam insulation personally. I watch HGTV, and the program HOLMES ON HOMES with Mike Holmes, he really believes in it. I personally would like to spray it underneath my house which has a crawl space and no insulation. But our minimum temp is about 15 FARENHEIT.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2010 at 8:07PM
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worthy

do you really live where it is -20 CELCIUS?

Hey, -20ÃÂ C. is hotter than the average temperature in Winnipeg in January.

She ain't livin' in some namby pamby American hothouse like, say, Fargo! Or Trwanana. (Native pronunciation.)

    Bookmark   October 23, 2010 at 9:12PM
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artemis78

-20C is roughly four degrees below zero Fahrenheit---not unusual in many parts of the Midwestern or Northeastern U.S. in the winter months, and I'm sure not unusual for much of Canada.

Here's what we were told in a much milder climate when we had an energy audit of our house:
If the wall is open, use standard insulation. If the wall is not open, use spray.

But again, we are in a much milder climate (rarely goes below 30F or above 80F), and there may be some performance benefit to one or the other as you get into colder temperatures. Where we are, the performance of similarly rated insulation of each style is supposedly comparable (and in fact they ended up recommending that we not bother with any at all, since it is very low on the "bang for the buck" list in our climate---attic insulation, weatherproofing, etc. are far more important). I imagine this would be quite different in colder areas where the heat loss through uninsulated walls is more significant.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2010 at 1:56PM
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sombreuil_mongrel

Hi,
By "sunroom" you mean three wall of glass? Ceiling glass, too?
With that much potential for heat loss, I don't think any amount of any kind of insulation will stave off the cold.
If you had an insulated and heated slab floor (thermal mass), along with the passive solar gain during the day, it may stay tolerably warm overnight. Has anyone done the heat-loss calculation on this room?
Casey

    Bookmark   October 24, 2010 at 6:33PM
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macv

To get useful answers you need to better define the question.

Is the foam insulation you mention open-cell or closed-cell? Is the regular insulation fiberglass or cellulose?

Also, what is the climate and desired/required R-value? How deep are the studs? What kind of exterior cladding? Will there be an interior vapor retarder?

    Bookmark   October 25, 2010 at 8:44AM
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gwbr54

A bit of a tangent, but... The spray foam insulation looks like it gets really solid, so how do you deal with it down the road, when you need to repair a pipe, or remodel, or something similar?

    Bookmark   October 26, 2010 at 12:13PM
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ralleia

The open-cell foam (R 3.5 per inch) is pretty soft from what I hear, and easy to trim. The closed-cell (R 6.8 per inch)would be more difficult, but it can be done.

We're planning to apply closed-cell foam directly to the underside of the roof sheathing in our attics. In that location the vapor retarder properties and air-sealing properties (plus high insulating value) will be utilized to the best advantage.

Assuming your sunroom has many windows, your insulating potential is already quite compromised. We would have to know more about the types of windows, square-footage, and how conditioned you intend to keep the space (temperature setpoint), but from a first look it does not sound like an application which really gain significant advantage from the strengths of closed cell.

    Bookmark   October 26, 2010 at 11:39PM
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chester525

We used 3" spray foam closed cell in our attic and gable walls. That was after putting 4" of foil faced urethane in the downstairs walls as we replace sills and rewired the house. We spray foamed along the gap we left around the foil sheets for a tight seal. The energy savings have been substantial over conventional insulation. It's not just the insulating value, but the fact that there is little if any air leakage, which accounts for 40% of the savings from what I have read. Good luck on your project.

    Bookmark   October 31, 2010 at 2:38PM
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mikey_g

I learned from an expert that fiberglass insulation starts to lose it's insulating properties at very cold temperatures - just when you need it to work. Cellulose and spray foam don't have this problem.

    Bookmark   October 31, 2010 at 4:18PM
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