what a good edge looks like

oldryderFebruary 18, 2014

These are some pics of nicely finished edges:

Below is a laminated edge with an almost invisible hairline at the joint between the top and the laminate piece.

Below is a mitered apron. Note the absence of a discernable line at the joint at the top AND the corner.

The following is a "waterfall" edge. The stone is "Fusion". Note the top 90 degree angle has been slightly rounded by hand to significantly reduce the potential for chipping.

This is a triple laminate rock pitched limestone. Rock pitching thru a lamination often doesn't work because the cleavage plan of the chisel often leaves "ledges" at the lamination joint. We tell our customers we will "give it a try" if thats what they want but that they also must select an alternate edge profile if the stone and/or the laminations don't allow rock pitching. (I have a shop guy with 20 years experience doing rock pitching so if it can be done we can do it.)

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eam44

thats artistry.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 1:05PM
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jellytoast

Thank you, oldryder. I think people take for granted that these are the kinds of edges they are going to get, but sadly that isn't always the case (as BlackChamois' recent thread unfortunately proves). I guess the lesson is to examine your countertops carefully when they arrive and before they are installed ...?

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 1:08PM
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Trebruchet

oldryder:

Nice to show readers what they can get when they don't go with low bidder. Good work.

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Mags438

Thanks for sharing; loved the lesson and quality work.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 1:35PM
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SDgirlygirl

Thanks for posting Oldryder, these edges are flawless.

May I please ask a fabrication question? Is it inadvisable to do a laminate edge on a carrara marble slab?

I am doing a laminate edge on the perimeter counters to save cost but was considering upgrading our island to a mitered edge. Our perimeter material will be quartz and our island is carrara marble. Unfortunately, the mitered edge is an added cost of $750 which is the same cost as the slab itself. After all the money spent on this remodel, I am not sure if the cost/benefit of the mitered edge will be worth it in the end.

Many thanks in advance for your unbiased feedback!

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 3:12PM
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cat_mom

I agree--absolutely flawless!

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 4:56PM
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oldryder

SDgirlygirl; the mitered edge, if done correctly, will make your island look like it's the full thickness of the apron. A very nice effect.

Laminate, even done very well with a hairline seam, will show because there will be a grain transition at the seam.

It's your money so, of course, your decision. I like the miter but it does cost more because the fabricator has the additional steps of putting a 45 degree cut on the mating edge of both the top and the apron piece and then rounding the corner where the pieces meet.

IMHO worth the money if your fabricator has the expertise to do a really good job.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 4:59PM
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Errant_gw

I love the mitered edge. That's what we're having done on ours :)

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 6:21PM
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Trebruchet

sdgirlygirl:

I know there is pressure to cut costs during remodeling, but you've really got to consider how long and how often you are going to be looking at the selections made.

What's worse, working overtime to pay for the top you wanted, or looking at a top that disappoints you everyday with money in the bank?

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 9:32PM
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Sophie Wheeler

The big disconnect comes when people see work like the above and think that they have a right to that high quality work from Lowlife Larry with a ''shop'' in a van down by the river.

Every single person who goes around getting quote after quote for the ''cheapest'' price on their stone needs to read this. And understand that they are shopping for the WRONG thing. And probably will never see results like this. Then read the thread on the recent prefab disappointment where she found that cheap guy and got exactly what she paid for.

It's better to live with plywood counters for a year to be able to afford someone to fabricate your dream stone correctly than it is to search for the cheapest guy to hack your dream to death.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 8:03AM
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blackchamois

Beautiful craftsmanship, oldryder! Wish you were doing my counters :)

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 5:23PM
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gr8daygw

What are some questions you can ask to determine if the shop you want to do business has the expertise and equipment to do work like this. Many have impressive showrooms but their showrooms and what you get are two different things even when you pay the big bucks.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 5:41PM
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jellytoast

Good question, gr8day! That's why I like to see the fabricator's work in someone's actual home. You can't get those details from online reviews as people's opinions of "quality" can be vastly different. Knowing what questions to ask would be very helpful.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 5:46PM
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blfenton

That waterfall edge with the Fusion stone is stunning. The edge just shows off the beauty of the stone.

Makes me wonder if sometimes the pattern of the stone should be taken into account when choosing your edge.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 6:26PM
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nosoccermom

Really very useful to see what edges can look like! Thank you!
However, unfortunately, a high price doesn't necessarily mean that the work is done well. I have had lower bidders who have done beautiful work and high bidders who have done ok work at best.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 6:52PM
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jellytoast

Good point, nosoccermom. What I take from the "price statements" is that if you pay top dollar, you have a right to complain, but if you go with the low bidder, you don't.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 6:57PM
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oldryder

" Many have impressive showrooms but their showrooms and what you get are two different things even when you pay the big bucks."

If you get work that is substantially inferior to what you saw in the fabricators showroom you have an absolutely valid reason to reject the work.

Re: the comment if you pay a low price you can't complain; I disagree. Regardless of the price you have every right to expect work that matches what the fabricator showed you.

When I used to work for the countertop equipment supplier I visited many fab shops and was often surprised at the mediocre (or worse) quality in the showrooms. When asked about it the answer was always "if we match whats in the showroom the customer has no cause to complain. If we exceed it all the better." I never thought that was a good approach.

    Bookmark   February 19, 2014 at 7:35PM
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oldryder

Given the merger with houzz I thought a repost of this thread would be of interest. Also a few new pics. Bottom pic is an apron sink fabricated from the slab material used for the countertops. Very nice effect but expensive as it takes considerable labor. Middle pic is of a shower with a flat & level removable floor with no apparent drain. The 1st pic is of a outdoor grill make from the new Cosentino product Dekton. It will not fade, is extremely hard, and so far is stainproof even resisting oil stains from the barbecued food.

no apparent drain.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2015 at 9:41AM
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Errant_gw

What sort of finish is on the shower floor to keep it from being slippery?

    Bookmark   March 13, 2015 at 10:04AM
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oldryder

the floor "tiles" were given a leathered finish. doesn't show in the pic.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2015 at 10:38AM
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agk2003

that sink is stunzo! i saw sinks done in neolith at hg stones in brooklyn. love the mitered edge you posted above as well.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2015 at 12:47PM
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happyallison

I'm impressed with the edges, I can't find the seams! I'm hoping to find a quality fabricator when it's time to order my counters. My counters and my floors are probably the most important (and my cabinets, but my counters more so) important for me to get the best work on as they take the most abuse in the house.

I think more so than price is finding a contractor who is passionate, and who really cares about his/her craft, and invests a lot of thought and time into perfecting it, as you obviously have. It's hard to do when you don't know the contractor personally, but I think even in initial conversations you are able to get a feel for it.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2015 at 1:14PM
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