Wood siding

BilllJuly 5, 2011

We're in the middle of a renovation of a 2 story 1912 Colonial.

Currently, the kitchen and dining room are gutted down to the studs. The kitchen area was a porch at one point and had been closed in. It has a mismatch of small plywood and press board pieces over the studs followed by wood siding. The dining room just has wood siding and no underlayment.

The issue is that there are gaps where you can clearly see light. Some other rooms had something resembling tar paper tacked between the wall studs covering any gaps. Does anyone know if this is common or if there is a preferred way to seal up the wall? One of the kitchen walls is westward facing and will take the brunt of rain storms, winter winds etc. The wall was insulated with fiberglass, but it was cold in winter - now I know why.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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mainegrower

Circa 1912 the normal wall construction from outside to inside would have been: 1)siding such as clapboard or shingles 2)vapor barrier such as tar paper or rosin paper (the pink stuff) 3)the sheathing, usually boards 4)the wall studs 5)the insulation (if any) 6)lathing (but only if the interior were to be plastered) or the interior wall finish.

    Bookmark   July 7, 2011 at 5:41AM
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Billl

Well, I guess my house isn't "normal" then. :)

Short of removing all the siding, any suggestions on how to seal it up now? Just put tar paper in the stud bays? I don't want to trap moisture anywhere, but I also don't want a breeze blowing through the wall.

    Bookmark   July 7, 2011 at 8:43AM
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columbusguy1

What about that expanding closed-cell foam stuff--I think it's two part?

    Bookmark   July 7, 2011 at 6:30PM
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mainegrower

You could use DIY foam in place insulation, but if there are gaps large enough to see through to the outside, the foam will ooze out through them.

By far the best course of action would be to remove the exterior siding and the patchwork sheathing. Then put on sheathing in the form of OSB, plywood, etc., followed by Tyvek or similar product on the exterior side, then reinstall the siding. Since you're already down to the studs on the interior, this would not involve a huge amount of extra work. Once done, you'll have lots of options for insulating the bays between the studs.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2011 at 5:08AM
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Billl

Any other suggestions that don't involve creating a 500 sq ft hole in my house? I'm not removing 100 year old siding to "correct" their building technique.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2011 at 8:32AM
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civ_IV_fan

so you don't have sheathing. you'll survive, i think. closed-cell foam insulation seems to be really your only choice. i found a couple of threads that might help

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/oldhouse/msg0410283024083.html
https://advice.thisoldhouse.com/showthread.php?t=7943

    Bookmark   July 8, 2011 at 3:38PM
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karinl

I'm not one of your gurus, so my input is a question: would there be any point in fitting maybe cut pieces of plywood between the studs? And then using rigid foam board for insulation?

Is closed-cell foam the expanding kind? I recently made some observations that have me pretty sure I won't use that stuff again.

When we did our interior renovation 18 years ago we sprayed expandable foam into some gaps around a window. We recently removed the window, and found quite a bit of green mold in the cavity. The mold was on the wood surfaces in a cavity that the foam had evidently succeeded in totally closing off, but it was also on the surface of the foam when we pulled it off the wood, so it obviously prevented the wood surface from drying. I'm guessing, therefore, that it would hasten wood rotting, quite aside from hosting mold.

KarinL

    Bookmark   July 8, 2011 at 10:47PM
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mainegrower

Having proper sheathing on an exterior wall is a good bit more important than "correcting their building technique." The sheathing is what prevents a wall from racking and is the second line of defense against exterior weather.

You can put whatever you want in the stud bays as insulation, but with gaps large enough to see outside, no sheathing, no Tyvek type material it will soon fail due to moisture and your wall will soon be just as cold as it was before you started renovating. Additionally, doing nothing on the exterior side will set up ideal conditions for rot within the wall cavity.

    Bookmark   July 9, 2011 at 5:08AM
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Billl

With all due respect, the house has stood for 100 years, so I'm not worried about it falling over. It has diagonal bracing cut into the studs - a very common technique before plywood.

It also hasn't rotted in 100 years. Unless I muck it up, it probably won't rot in another 100 years. The only areas that have water damage is where the prior owner mounted air conditioners in the windows and let them drip on the sills for about 6 months a year.

Really, that is my biggest concern. I don't want to do anything that ends up accidentally trapping moisture.

    Bookmark   July 9, 2011 at 3:52PM
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