Best primer & pain for old galvanized

spambdamn_richDecember 4, 2004

My workshop roof is old heavy gage galvanized. It's probably at least 40 years old, but in very good shape.

It has a coating of what looks like aluminum paint, which has flaked off in various areas. In some areas there is surface rust.

Naturally I'd like to stop the rust and/or prime and paint the weathered areas.

I coated about half of the weathered areas with Rustoleum Red Primer, before I (re)-read the label that says it's not for galvanized. But I'm guessing that since it's rusty/weathered/old painted galv it might be ok.

For the rest I'm looking for a better solution. So far I have found:

1) Rustoleum white latex primer for aluminum and galvanized

2) "Rust Converter" primer (kind of brownish) which says it's ok for galvanized.

3) Rustoleum clean metal primer (white).

4) Rustoleum cold galvanizing spray.

5) More Rustoleum Red Primer

So... I'm a bit unsure which to use. I really don't like the idea of using a latex primer on a roof, especially since it will be covering surface rust and be topcoated with an oil-based enamel. The Rust Converter primer is a bit pricey - but it comes with a five year guarantee. I have not been impressed with cold galvanizing paint in the past. I have noticed it tends to be very weak, easily scratched off clean metal with a fingernail, even after a long drying time. But the Rustoleum version has less zinc in it (93%) than the kind I used before (99%) so maybe it has more resins to keep the stuff in place.

For topcoating, I'm looking at Rustoleum Industrial Hi Performance Aluminum oil-based enamel. I do have some doubts about top coating galvanized surfaces with an aluminum paint, however, since the zinc in the galvanized probably will try to sacrifice itself to protect the aluminum - or so I gather from the tables.

What seems to me to be ideal for this would be a zinc-containing primer, and a zinc containing silver-colored top coat. But I haven't been able to find those items as yet.

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davidwczerr

Wow, that's going to be an undertaking for sure........I'm not sure I've got *the* correct answer for you, but I do have some thoughts:

1) You may try calling Rustoleum, if you want to use their product, and see what they have to say.

2) I've got a book at work (can get it Monday) that is full of products for coating water tanks and equipment at water/wastewater treatment plants.....I have to imagine this stuff is better suited for your needs. I'll repost with more info for you.

3) How big is the roof? Have you given thought to cost/time/labor of painting at every 5 (or correct number) year interval versus replacing the roof? I have no idea the costs of either, so it's just a thought. I know the newer colored metal roofs often come with 20-yr warrantees.

4) I wonder if it's the primer that's flaking off, or galvanizing? I'd be worried that even if you recoat, you'd still have flaking issues underneath.

Best of luck, keep us posted, and I'll follow up with that material.

David

    Bookmark   December 4, 2004 at 9:07AM
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mla2ofus

I agree with David regarding new roof v. painting. Whatever you decide to paint with, the manu. will tell you all loose material must be removed. This includes rust that can be wirebrushed off, which can be a daunting task if your roof is very large. NAPA auto parts sells a product I have used on old plow discs I use to make fountains. I have to remove all loose rust with a wire brush and put on two coats. It dries clear and so far has worked well even under water. The downside is it only comes in quarts and is about $11/quart.
Hope I've helped,
Mike A

    Bookmark   December 4, 2004 at 10:14AM
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wiz4867

Hi spam

In your web address bar type in sherwin williams; then go to welcome to sherwin williams; use the coating system wizard; they have a zinc clad II H.S. primer with 83% zinc by weight, solvent base paint. You can also contact them for a paint for use on your roof. I would think that rust-oleum could provide the same service.

Have you thought about using a GOOD high pressure washer to clean the loose rust off the roof.
good luck bill

    Bookmark   December 4, 2004 at 4:46PM
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spambdamn_rich

Hey, thanks for the replies!

OK, well, fortunately, the rust is appearing only in isolated spots. At most it would take a gallon of primer to coat all of them. This is on a gable roof over a 20x50 foot workshop. So yes, it's a lot of roof, but I'm only planning on addressing the problem spots.

The flaking isn't the zinc galvanizing - that doesn't flake off anyway. It just seems to wear away. The rusted areas seem to have a some history that is different from the rest of the roof. They look like they had a heavy application of some kind of primer that has cracked and lifted over the years. Underneath it's more discolored than rusted. I suspect these may have been areas that lacked galvanizing in the first place and were given extra primer to compensate. Anyway, most of these areas I chipped off the old primer/paint layers and got down to sound metal.

The galv steel is also a heavier gage than what I've seen at the home improvement stores; I'm a bit reluctant to chuck it out when it just needs some touch up. I'm pretty sure it hasn't been painted for at least 25 years, and that's not bad. So I'd even consider blasting/primering/topcoating the entire roof, I just want to make sure it's the right products.

I did some web research and found a fair amount of info since I posted. I don't think I saw the Sherwin Williams site yet, though.

So far it appears to me that zinc-bearing primers are a bit complicated and not necessarily the best solution. Although I could see cold galvanizing the corroded areas (after wire brushing) and then using a suitable pimer. Also, so far, it appears that the most compatible primers with galv. is a latex based primer, similar to what Rustoleum offers. I am gradually losing my reluctance to use a latex-based primer on galvanized.

I will visit the Sherwin Williams site and see what they have to offer, as well.

Here is what I've learned so far about zinc-bearing primers, it seems that they fall into two categories: those with inorganic base, and those with organic base. The inorganics are basically cold-galvanizing but are also porous and do not provide much in the way of a barrier. The organics have a lower zinc content and a higher barrier performance, but ironically do not provide much in the way of galvanic protection.

Then there there are the one-step epoxy systems that claim to dispense with the need for primer, but on an old weathered roof that probably never been clean enough, I'd probably go with a primer/top coat solution.

Once I do get a good solution for the shop roof, the roof over the 2 car garage has totally shed its silvery paint. The underlying galv coating is still in great shape, no rust; I've been waiting for Mother Nature to finish off the paint there before I recoat it.

Any recoating will probaly wait until next spring... the weather is a bit dodgy these days for full roof painting.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2004 at 3:18AM
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shw001

I came across a product called "Rust Bullet" that claims to convert the rust to an inert substance that could then be painted. This might help. Does anyone have any experience with this product? Here is their URL
http://www.rustbullet.com/productcart/pc/viewCart.asp

    Bookmark   September 21, 2005 at 12:33PM
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msgale

phophoric acid is sold in a variety of trade names and i think is the best product to rescue rusted steel. it does convert the rust to some black oxide or something, which is a good base for a primer and then paint.
the chemical conversion is much more relaible, and easier, than trying to wire brush all the rust off(which is impossible) . I have never found a primer that actually sticks to steel that had been rusted.
buy this at adavnce auto stores for about $6 for a quart

    Bookmark   September 29, 2005 at 12:51PM
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