Copper anyone?

Lauren DevonshireOctober 8, 2004

Does anyone out there work with copper? I'm making trellises. Would like to make other things such as furniture for the garden and art. Looking on the net for copper other then pipe.

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gooseberry_guy

What is it you are looking for exactly?

GG

    Bookmark   October 8, 2004 at 11:14PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Sheets of copper larger then what is sold in craftstores. I've looked in the yellow pages for local businesses selling roofing supplies.Also checked the net. Theres one in the next county. Haven't had the time to check them out. I don't want to have to buy a lot of copper at one time. Cost too much, no place to store supplies. Do you work with copper? I'm new at this, I'm not a guy. My thing is gardening, art and creating stuff. This is soo much fun. I must sound like a nutcase.

    Bookmark   October 9, 2004 at 3:10PM
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Flowerkitty

You don't sound nutty at all. I am interested in any answers also.I have been thinking of putting a copper trim around the edge of a small porch roof. I just assumed you could go buy a roll of copper at Home Depot. Not. Yet I remember my brothers in cub scouts doing copper crafts, punching designs into copper sheets. Times change.

    Bookmark   October 9, 2004 at 9:32PM
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kbeitz

Check out the link....

Here is a link that might be useful: copper plate for sale

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 6:47AM
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gooseberry_guy

Here's a supplier I use in Detroit for copper sheet. I had them make up some standing seam material and trim for a roofing project I had, which was going over a bow window. Their pricing seems to be reasonable.

They are also an excellent source for aluminum and other extrusions.

GG

Here is a link that might be useful: Aluminum Supply Company

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 10:08AM
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brickeyee

Most roofing supply houses have copper sheet in a couple different weights. The most common material weighs 16 oz/square foot.
It is normally sold in sheets either 3 feet by 8 feet or 3 feet by 10 feet. The sheets can be rolled up to make a cylinder 3 feet high and about 12-16 inches in diameter.

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 10:31AM
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davidwczerr

I've had a small project simmering in the back of my head for a long time that involves making small yard lighting out of copper. I'm thinking about the smallish type lights that follow along paths. I have no experience working with copper though, so it will be a learning experience for me. I'm following this thread to begin the learning process.

Thanks, David

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 10:35AM
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JoeJ

You may want to have a look here for ideas.
This fella is making some VERY NICE lighting fixtures!!

Joe

Here is a link that might be useful: J.T. Cooper Studio

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 2:16PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Bookmarked websites. Cooper's site is wonderful! Some years back someone made a copper table and used roofing copper for it because it was big enough. He didn't want to sodder lots of small sheets together. That was on an HGTV show, someone else made a four poster bed frame.It was huge. Lights might not that hard to make if carefully thoughtout before hand. I bought a copper "lamp shade" in the local antiques mall for $12. It needs glass (not a big deal) and wired for indoor use. It is a heavy gage (?) and looks like Arts and Craft design. Lowes doesn't even copper roofing sheets. I did find a website for metal mesh including coppper. Have to find it and copy/paste it here. Think I'll price the roofing. It looks like all suppliers are going to be more then 15 miles from here. Except for Lowes and HomeDepot and they only sell pipe and fitings.

    Bookmark   October 10, 2004 at 3:54PM
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backyardbill

Here in Michigan Menadrs carries rolls of copper roof flashing in a couple of different widths and lengths.
Bill

    Bookmark   October 11, 2004 at 7:53AM
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Lauren Devonshire

Found this site, might be something that will help all of us. It has a search for copper retailers. Sorry flowerkitty, can't walk into a hardware without seeing artsupplies. I feel like a nut talking to my husband in Lowes or Home Depot about "art" projects when there are others around, especially guys.

Here is a link that might be useful: Copper.Org

    Bookmark   October 11, 2004 at 7:54PM
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gooseberry_guy

Interesting site. Too bad I have dial-up!

While looking through this, I remembered that I got some copper sheet about two years ago from a local sheet metal shop. I don't remember if it was something left over from a customers' project, or a regular stock item for them. That might give you another option for a copper sheet source, just start calling around.

GG

    Bookmark   October 11, 2004 at 10:26PM
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Lauren Devonshire

That just might work,looked up the listing in the yellow pages. Have of number of businesses here in Carlisle.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2004 at 8:40PM
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noworries

Copper cladding is another application. My BIL does beautiful things with copper over redwood, door skins, roofs, you name it. Hammer it over diamond plate, gratings, extruded screen, manhole covers to create relief. Nail shapes with copper nails to form scales, and on and on. His artistry combined with the technical skill is amazing.

Check out the detail photos on the individual pieces.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sculpture

    Bookmark   October 13, 2004 at 1:35PM
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Lauren Devonshire

I feel humble. At this point in time, I'd be happy to get supplies and a place to work inside this winter. Anyone else want to show off their work? You might as well, it helps to see what is possible.

    Bookmark   October 13, 2004 at 6:08PM
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cocooner

Copper turns into a vedigris finish when outside unless it has a protective finish, correct? What if it's inside? I love copper but would not want it to change color should I ever work with it. I love its rich hue.

cocooner

    Bookmark   May 9, 2005 at 8:11PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Cocooner,
Right,copper does not turn green outside unless you clean off the coating. It does turn brown outside. You can clean it with copper cleaner available in grocery stores.Inside it stays copper color unless pissed on by cat(S).

    Bookmark   May 9, 2005 at 8:58PM
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fairy_toadmother

i hve been unable to find copper screen. any ideas?

    Bookmark   July 30, 2005 at 6:43PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Try this - don't know what you are going to use the screen for - this is mesh. I did look for screening a few months ago - no luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: twpinc

    Bookmark   July 30, 2005 at 11:32PM
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fairy_toadmother

thanks!

    Bookmark   August 3, 2005 at 9:53PM
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SanAntonioRoseToo

I'm about to have a custom made range hood 30" wide and 18" high, solid copper with about a 2 or 3" wide band of brass around to bottom edge. I've been quoted $1200. which includes a light or lights (halogen) and filter but not a fan - have to buy that extra - where? Does that sound like a reasonable price?
Thanks,
S.A.Rose

    Bookmark   August 4, 2005 at 9:08PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Copper prices have gone up, I don't know about the price of brass.
Would this be a one of a kind item,hand-crafted?
Artsy looking?
Depends on who is making this- a craftsman or a company? Are you in a big city or small town?
Price depends on many factors, for me to buy, it would be expensive. I live outside a very small city. Our home is not worth a $1,200. range hood. Why no fan, seems odd to pay that much and no fan. I have no idea where you'ld buy a fan. Custom size fan to fit the hood. Maybe someone else out ther with kitchen remodeling experience has an idea.

    Bookmark   August 4, 2005 at 9:46PM
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brickeyee

For a custom range hood an exterior mounted fan is often cheaper than trying to find one to fit and then providing the wiring required. AC cable (smooth aluminum jacket) is commonly required.

    Bookmark   August 8, 2005 at 4:19PM
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Lauren Devonshire

brickeyee,
Can an electrician install the fan? Can he get her the fan?

    Bookmark   August 8, 2005 at 5:35PM
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allison0704

Usually you buy a Vent a Hood fan and they build the range hood around the fan measurements. 1200 isn't bad for a custom range hood in copper. I've seen them up to 8K without the lights/fan. I purchased our Vent a Hood at a residential construction store where I purchase our appliances, fireplace logs and inserts.

    Bookmark   August 8, 2005 at 9:15PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Are you talking Lowes or a small momandpop? Please share info. Sounds good. Eight grand for a range hood?

    Bookmark   August 9, 2005 at 4:12PM
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jiggreen

did you ever find your copper for what you needed it for? i was doing a google for "copper sheets" and up popped this thread. funny thing is, i live in carlisle too! i'm looking for copper sheets to replace the ugly glass insets in my kitchen cabinets over my island...i was thinking of copper because i wanted to punch a design in it. i was hoping to find a place that had the perfect size i needed or is willing to cut a larger sheet to size for the 8 insets i need. since it's been over a year since you started looking i was wondering if you ran across any local places that might have what i'm looking for.
thanks! jeana
jeana

    Bookmark   November 3, 2005 at 10:47PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Well, where to begin? Coppersheets and rolls can be bought. But depending on the size of your openings, it might be better to just drive to ACMoore's and buy the number of sheets needed. You can cut the sheets to fit your opening using tin snips- Lowes in the tools section. They used to sell the sheets in Lowes on the Pike a few years ago. No more. While searching I did find sites, I just don't remember exactly what each sold. The problem was shipping. Many places were out of state, even out of the country. Local roofer wasn't sure about selling. I will look up the sites (bookmarked'em), and post the info. I have a very old 'puter and it dies if left on too long. May need a fan or lots more memory. The trellis is ready to be souldered. I work and have many other artsy projects to work on. We live in N. Middleton Twsp. About.com might have some info. Keep in touch via this thread. I haven't given up on copper, just tried and need time to eveything esle.

    Bookmark   November 4, 2005 at 9:24PM
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jiggreen

now you got me intrigued..i live in north middleton also! hey, we might be neighbors :) ..i'm off of crane's gap..
good idea about ac moore.(but the only ac moore i know of is down there off the pike past 581, and i heard it's not open anymore)...or maybe i should try michael's arts and crafts near walmart in mechanicsburg..dang, we need more stores here in carlisle! ( i do think a michael's is going into the new shopping center where kohl's is though, but not till spring) if i get out and about this weekend, i'll do some checking around to see what i can find. if it's possible for you ..can you post some pictures of the trellis? i'd love to see what you've done!
jeana

    Bookmark   November 4, 2005 at 10:57PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Ben Franklin Crafts closed, thats who you're thinking of, ACMoore is located across from Walmart's where the Giant's used to be. Yes, Michael's is suppose to be coming to Carlisle in March. I know where Cranes Gap is, we're on Longs Gap. Depending when the copper projects are finished, I thought about posting them. A lot depends how long the computer lives, it is old and needs help. Need to work outside on garden, didn't do much this summer in the garden, no rain, not enough water in well. Sheets will have to wait until spring, the other copper projects will done worked on over winter. I want to be able to sell them. Have joined CALC again.

    Bookmark   November 6, 2005 at 12:42PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Jiggreen

You may want to check this one out.They have coppersheets. DYI.com had a woodcraft project using the sheets to cover a "box" they made to use as a table. http://diynetworks.com/diy/hobbies/article/0,2033,DIY_13951_2276377,00.html
This could give you an idea of how to cut the sheets. I think using the sheets from ACmoore would be easier.

Here is a link that might be useful: Guttersupply.com

    Bookmark   November 8, 2005 at 9:25PM
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jiggreen

hi greenone!
i was up at michael's today over by the capital city mall, and i looked for the small sheets, but couldn't find any and the salesperson was clueless. i'm going to try AC Moore this week. I checked out that website, and i like the sheets of copper that they have, but i'm thinking shipping costs would be pretty high.
:)

    Bookmark   November 13, 2005 at 10:27PM
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Donnajodesigns

I'm looking for copper sheeting that can be placed under glass. I need unlacquered sheeting. My problem is the thickness. I need it to be stiff enough that it won't crinkle or crease but not too heavy either. And how do you roll or file the edges so it is not sharp?

    Bookmark   November 16, 2005 at 8:29PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Donnajodesigns,
Cleaning the copper will remove the coating.The gage of the sheet will tell you how thick it is. I Think the higher the gage, the thinner the sheet is. You may have to go to art supply stores, ie Dick Blick or try the online art supply.Even the websites that sell copper rolls of sheeting would be worth a try. Use sandpaper made for sanding the edge of the of metal. Why under glass?
Greenone

    Bookmark   November 18, 2005 at 9:21PM
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flowanda

I make copper flowers and leaves and often use flashing rolls that I buy at HD or Lowe's. The copper is soft enough so I can easily emboss leaf and flower vein details and shape the pieces, and I can paint and seal the paper-like backing to keep the copper from bending. Sheet copper is just too hard to manipulate and detail.

However, my flowers are not meant to be used outdoors, and I don't think the sealants (Future floorwax is a great stiffener) I use would be watertight to keep the tar/paper backing from pulling away from the copper, especially around the edges.

You can find copper screen at the craft store, but it's expensive and comes in little sizes.

If I am going to patina something, I find that I can substitute brass or brass-coated items, sand them and then use a commercially made verdigris solution to get the copper effect.

I also get great effects from using bronze wool. Copper wool tends to rust on me.

Just my two copper cents!

Flo

    Bookmark   November 21, 2005 at 5:04PM
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allison0704

greenone said "Are you talking Lowes or a small momandpop? Please share info. Sounds good. Eight grand for a range hood?"

Sorry to take so long to get back to you....I found this forum by accident in August and didn't check back in until today.

8K was too much for me to pay! We bought our sheet copper from our HVAC guy and used for a backsplash in the laundry room and one place in the kitchen. Our kitchen installers/finishers built a range hood around our Vent-a-Hood liner. Then our HVAC guy came to measure and cup the copper to size for us, since he has the equipment to do so.

Below is the picture before the plywood was put on the hood:

Here is the hood finished (tile is ordered!):

Here is our laundry room backsplash:

    Bookmark   November 25, 2005 at 4:51PM
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The Metal Peddler

That hood looks great! And gorgeous kitchen! What kind of exhaust system do you have in there? Was that included in the 1200?

1200 is excellent for a copper hood, IMO. Depends on the design of course, straight sides easier than much easier than a curved hood, thickness of copper etc, but as someone said above, this year copper prices are very very high. We buy hundreds of pounds of copper at a time (my husband is a coppersmith) and we pay much more this year than last!

    Bookmark   December 2, 2005 at 10:23AM
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allison0704

danielle, Thank you for the compliments. the liner is a Vent-a-Hood. I don't remember how much the liner was but the 1200 figure I was using was from SanAntoniaRoseToo's post way above my first post, not my cost of anything. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Bookmark   December 2, 2005 at 9:08PM
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Lauren Devonshire

danielle_VA
Does your husband solder his copper art? I have been trying to get time to solder mine for the past few months - spring, actually. How long can flux stay on copper without being soldered? Does it go "bad"?

    Bookmark   December 5, 2005 at 5:35PM
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achoo

try any local metal suppliers who supply local school/college or engineering firms

    Bookmark   December 6, 2005 at 3:31PM
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gooseberry_guy

greenone:

You can't leave flux on copper except for the time you are actually working on it. The idea for flux is to help clean the base metal so solder will adhere to it. If flux is not removed after soldering, corrosion will build up on there from the chemicals acting on the copper, until it requires a lot of effort to remove it by sanding or other laborious methods.

A cleaner such as Fantastik or Formula 409 seems to work well on removing flux residue.

GG

    Bookmark   December 12, 2005 at 12:23AM
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Lauren Devonshire

gooseberry_guy
guessI have a lot of work ahead of me, the trellis is 7 or 8 feet high, good project for long winter nights. lots of couplings to hold it together and hammered flat tubing for added design. if I ever get this finished, I will take a pic and up load it to show off this "work of art". much thanks for the info.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2005 at 9:51PM
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elenarainbow

David, I am trying the same thing. Did you have any luck with the lighting? I wanted to use the solar lights set on top of a copper cylinder. Do you have any tips for me?

    Bookmark   June 14, 2006 at 10:53AM
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exislander

Please help! I am installing 2 islands in my kitchen, and have a granite countertop. I want to put copper sheeting on the pony walls surrounding the outside of the islands. It is about 6'-8' long by approximately 4'tall. I am reading these clips on this posting, and I guess what I need to know is: what weight do I need? 16oz or lighter? I figured since it is not going on top, but on the walls, I may not need a very heavy guage copper. Is it copper sheeting I am looking for? and do I apply it as if it were a countertop? Thanks for all your advice!!

    Bookmark   July 20, 2007 at 3:23PM
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Lauren Devonshire

exislander,
I would like to help you. I got sway from working with copper.Kept hearing and reading about people stealing it to sell as scrap metal.I would use a lighter gauge. But I think you could buy copper roofing materiel, it would be a heavier gauge. You wouldn'd have a lot of "small" sheets to work with. Don't use glue on it, use copper nails to nail it to your wall. How would you finish the edges?

    Bookmark   July 20, 2007 at 5:14PM
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Lauren Devonshire

South Central Pa. Not interested in copper hood for stove.We have a Folk Victorian.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2009 at 4:38PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Thanks for the info.You are really into it more then I am. Maybe you could post pix for others so they could get ideas.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2009 at 1:04PM
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brickeyee

"The idea for flux is to help clean the base metal so solder will adhere to it."

Only partly correct.

The copper needs to be completely clean before any flux is applied.

The flux will prevent the formation of oxides as the metal is heated to soldering temperature, keeping it chemically clean.

The solder will then flow out easily since it can wet the chemically clean copper.

Flux has a very limited ability to remove already present contamination, thus the need to clean manually before fluxing and soldering.

Water soluble flux makes less mess to clean up than paraffin type fluxes.

Flux residue (often zinc chloride left over) will create green and white corrosion if not cleaned after soldering.

    Bookmark   May 19, 2009 at 1:28PM
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a_collie_garden

In regard to places to purchase copper sheeting - I used Farmers Copper in Texas. They seemed to have quite a large selection of weights as well as widths.

I simply called them up with the dimensions I needed and then cut and shipped within a week. The person I spoke to on the phone was a great help and very willing to work with me. I am putting in copper backsplashes based on what I read on the thread called "copper countertops".

    Bookmark   May 31, 2009 at 9:53PM
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linzmom65

i am a beginner to metalsmithing...i (so far) work only with copper...i just love everything about it!!...anyhoo...i am interested in this particular technique i came across which has me jaw droppingly fascinated, amazed and utterly mezmorized and I MUST LEARN HOW TO DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...ahem...excuse me...it was simply a basket weave of copper strips some of the artists' pieces had wires as "wefts",patinas galore...is it as simple as it appears?...basic one over one (like in girl scouts) making a placemat basket weaving?...help please??

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Lauren Devonshire

I was using copper pipe used in pluming. It was cheap but no longer cheap to work with. Some copper pipe is available as tubing and is easy to bend. The smaller the tubing width the easier to bend into a circle or other shape. It can also be hammered flat into that shape.I was going with a simple design but since people have been stealing it even from US Gov. building site here in the past few years, I still feel that it is not a good idea to have something that big outside where it will be stolen. I paid about $200. back in '04-'05 for the copper.Now if I get the time to work on a new cheap metal, will be the stuff used to carry electric wire.You can stripe old electric power cords for copper,its thin but can be used in art work. Clean it up first. Does this help?

    Bookmark   December 15, 2011 at 8:57PM
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linzmom65

i was thinking more along the lines of what i (have hopefully) linked for you below....

Here is a link that might be useful: check this out

    Bookmark   December 16, 2011 at 9:39PM
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Lauren Devonshire

Ah yes. You need to find copper sheets. Try cooper roofing supplies. And that lovely green is age or vinager or (ugh) cat pee. You can cut the sheets with metal cutting scissors.They're big. Try cooper jewery wire from DickBlick art supply. The cooper "mat" might be metal mat used to patch holes in walls. Nice work.Some of the work really looks like flattened copper pipe.Very narrow. Home Depot or Lowes.And the wire from old electric lamp cords works, very thin and twised, needs to be stripped of outer covering. She does really lovely work.Copper is not difficult to work with. Cut sheets of copper are sharp and can cut you. She bent some of her sheets or left some as is. Take a good look at what she did and mentally take it apart to understand how it is done.

    Bookmark   December 16, 2011 at 10:29PM
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billie_ann

I buy copper online for making embossed christmas ornaments and school projects. The site I'm listing below has a page to show you the different thicknesses and what cutting tools you'll need. Many of the thinner gauges only need scissors but even the thicker gauges only need hand shears. Think this site only sells up to 24 gauge and you only need tin snips from the hardware store. I think there is a project section. They also sell copper for cookie cutters.
Can't tell from the pictures of the baskets what gauge is used. You can do this with the 24 gauge copper sheet (it's not flattened pipe...at least the ones I looked at). The ends are just folded over on the top and bottom. You can also buy chemicals to paint on to get the verdigris coloring or bury it in "used" kitty litter or suspend it over a ammonia bath. You can texture the copper by hammering it with a deadblow hammer onto a stencil or run it through a tube wringer. I use a rolling mill to texture but that's a little expensive for this project.
Hope this helps.

Here is a link that might be useful: copper supplies

    Bookmark   December 27, 2011 at 7:23PM
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brickeyee

"Some copper pipe is available as tubing and is easy to bend. "

Copper is available in a number of different weights, marked as K, L, and M.

K is the thickest wall, M the thinnest.

M is only available tempered, making it very hard and not flexible at all.
L is the thinnest grade available soft, and can be easily bent (larger sizes can be hard without some bending tools though).

K should be available in 25 foot coils (50 foot for smaller sizes) at most of the big box stores.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2012 at 4:23PM
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