If you don't ovulate, you don't make progesterone

popcornhazelDecember 30, 2001

(and an anovulatory period is possible even as a teenager),

Therefore you become estrogen dominant. EXCESS estrogen is toxic, your own, synthetic or natural. Progesterone is protective...to prevent miscarriage, toxemia, etc. etc. hysterectomies caused by fibroids, endometriosis, etc. All these problems are caused by TOO MUCH estrogen.

Therefore if you had a hysterectomy, full or partial (ovaries removed or intact) the signal to make progesterone is immediately gone or will be soon. Progesterone is now absolutely necessary....NOT estrogen. Everywhere in your body MAKES estrogen...not so with progesterone. The ovaries are not the only place, but the main place in women.

The fatter you are the more estrogen dominant you are, and the fatter you become. No amount of diet or exercise helps.

Estrogen dominance can commonly be the cause of hypothyroidism, chronic fatigue, etc. and in men prostate problems.

Balance is required. Natural preparations of replacement hormones are the way to go. Prescription or over-the-counter...and yes you must be careful to get good quality here. Synthetic HRT causes the same or worse problems than you started with...they are toxic.

I use: Progest-E Complex and Prometrium

The Prometrium was prescribed and it is taken orally, but the capsule can be poked with a pin and some expressed to be used sublinguinally (under the tongue). It is higher in concentration to account for the ingestion. Sublinguinally or topically does not require such high concentration per dose.

VitaminExpress.com has a sublinguinal progesterone Progest-E complex by Kenogen...see article the article there by Dr. Ray Peat

However this can also be used topically by spreading a bit of virgin olive oil or coconut oil on your skin before the progesterone. Other vegetable oils are toxic.

See a small selection of his articles at http://efn.org/~raypeat Read all of them.

I have purchased a progesterone cream, but am unsure if it had any effect as I also required thyroid replacement. Now that I have thyroid replacement (currently using synthetic T3, T4 combo named Thyrolar but my preference is Armour, now made by Forest Pharmaceuticals) the sublinguinal and oral progesterone (Prometrium) work well.

Dr. refused to prescribe natural thyroid at outset and has refused twice more. I'll get my own, thank you.

See http://w-i-n.com for Dr. Lee's progesterone cream or at least recommendations on what to look for. Read all articles here on natural vs synthetic hormones.

Required reading...your library can interlibrary loan this book if they don't have it 'The Estrogen Alternative' by Raquel Martin.

I don't have any monetary link to any of these supplements. This is what has worked to bring my hormones back to balance, helped me lose weight, and cleared up endometriosis, excessive bleeding (3 mos period) and other health problems including dry skin. Prevented hysterectomy.

See post with subject heading 'ALL Questions answered here' at least I think that's how I typed it. A few more valuable links.

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Pardon me ladies for feeling exasperated with this post but what rubbish!

Its a shame that such a useful and normally productive forum such as this is used so irresponsibly for what must be commercial gain.


    Bookmark   December 31, 2001 at 1:44AM
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Hi Joan
I am going to ask my gyn for a prescription of progesterone cream, but I have a feeling she is going to poo poo me on this one. I have been off of HRT for two months now, and am
beginning to adjust, but there are those times that I can't sleep, feel hot and jittery. Of all I have read here and at other sites, progesterone if natural can help. What is your opinion? Thanks. Lou

    Bookmark   December 31, 2001 at 7:51AM
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Hi Loulou

My exasperation is not directed at the product but with the wording of the first post on this thread which reads as blatant commercialism. Good luck to you.


    Bookmark   December 31, 2001 at 4:48PM
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Joan, you get after me on one post for suggesting information to read and products I have used and then say it is commercialism. What about all the other posters who use synthetics?

Where is the difference? Do I have more validity if I had remained ignorant of alternatives and instead believed my doctor was God and eventually 'required' hysterectomy?

My sister listened to other women who had hysterectomies and simply ignored their list of health complaints. Probably because they didn't realize their hysterectomy accomplished nothing. They didn't realize their complaints were ongoing. Just no fibroids, endometriosis or painful and excessive bleeding to prove it.

    Bookmark   December 31, 2001 at 5:07PM
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This is a message for POPCORNHAZEL - it has come to our attention you are using the Natural Progesterone Advisory Network as a foundation endorsing your comments on this message board.

For the record, please let it be understood NPAN DOES NOT recommend women use medication other than how it is prescribed by your treating physician.

Further, we ENCOURAGE women to implement progesterone replacement therapy under the guidance of their treating healthcare professional.

Natural Progesterone Advisory Network (NPAN)
'NPAN ... helping women use progesterone cream with confidence'

Here is a link that might be useful: Natural Progesterone Advisory Network

    Bookmark   January 1, 2002 at 3:47PM
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For Clarification: We DO encourage women to use our website as a resource but we would also ask you to understand that we do NOT encourage women to self-medicate!
Progesterone is a 'human hormone' and when you reintroduce it back into the body you are in effect tampering with your endocrine system. Our book and website ensures women understand this very salient fact.

    Bookmark   January 3, 2002 at 3:24PM
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