What are you a stubborn purist about?

angelaidAugust 16, 2012

We've had some pretty heated threads about some pretty goofy things here over the years. The grilling thread got me to thinking about the ways in which we are such a diverse and contradictory lot � so open-minded and adventurous in some areas and so vehemently opposed to what we consider breaches of food integrity on the other.

What are you a stubborn purist about?

A big one for me is LAMB. I adore lamb; sometimes I think I enjoy it more than a ribeye steak. When it's prepared properly, it's completely out of this world.

Lamb. Does. Not. Need. MINT. JELLY. EVER.

Steak: Medium Rare Maximum. Anything cooked more than that is an insult to the cow and a waste of money.

Salt: I can't stand the standard, iodized table stuff, so I only use kosher salt or any of a number of sea salt varieties. And fresh ground black pepper.

French Onion Soup that tastes like it was made of ocean water. We get it, it's time consuming to make proper caramelized onions, but showering the onions in a ton of salt to expedite the process ruins the food. French onion soup that comes from a can is just blasphemy, 1800mg per serving of sodium, really!!

Sauces: Sauces are meant to enhance the flavor of the item, not overwhelm all other tastes in the mouth. Ketchup, mustard, soy sauce, French sauces, any sauce, even hot sauce are fine in minimal quantities. It frustrates me when I see people go, "I love [insert nationality] food" or "I love this dish" and then proceed to cover everything in a hot sauce from a bottle.

Cheesecake. It must be New York style, no berries, or sauce of any kind.

Hot dogs. Must be cooked over the fire (can live with broiled). Never, ever boiled!

I'm sure I'll think of plenty more.

K, kids, have at it! What are you a stubborn purist about?

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Cool Whip and Margarine....won't touch either of them. They are not even real food for cryin' out loud!


    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 4:30PM
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Best Foods (Hellman's) mayo, no other.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 4:37PM
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Canned soup and cake mix. Ugh. Canned soup is just a whole lot of salt. Cake mix has a strange chemical taste and weird texture that I don't like.

That said, I have a daughter that eats Cream of Mushroom straight out of the red and white can and only likes cake from mixes, homemade are "too heavy".

So, to each their own. We used to say "don't yuck my yum", and I tell the grandkids that.

I'm still never using a can of soup again, nor powdered soup "base", and I'll avoid cake mix like the plague. Oh, and I'm not eating Jello, it's just too icky.

I agree with beef, it needs to be rare and it does not need to be covered with port sauce or bleu cheese or whatever. Good beef should stand on its own.

That said, I think everyone should eat whatever THEY like. As long as I'm not continually told how wrong I am for liking or not liking something, it's all good. Now, the people who think they can tell me what I should and should not like, those people tick me off.

Believe it or not, there are some people who think that their way is the only right way. Hard to believe, I know. (grin)

Linda, my Grandmother used to tell me that if it wasn't a food 100 years ago, it's not a food today. Well, she said 50 years, but that was probably 50 years ago! I do, however, agree on both the Cool Whip and the margarine.


    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 4:39PM
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Angelaid, I agree with most of what you say.

As far as sauces, I find it's worthwhile to get good ones and use them sparingly: for soy sauce I get good stuff at the oriental grocery and find I don't need as much to do the job.

I insist on good mayo; Hellman's is the best I can get around here. Never, ever have I liked Miracle Whip; tastes too cloyingly sweet.

Good coffee; if I don't grind my own beans, I rely on Community Dark Roast in the red bag.

Good freshly ground black pepper (tellicherry or better).

Decent olive oil for cooking and great olive oil for dressings.

A 'clean' hot sauce; since I've discovered Huy Fong Sriracha, I hardly ever use anything else.

Fine beef cooked at most to medium rare, and cheaper beef braised so slowly (or pressure cooked) until it's fall-off-the-bone tender. The worst sins are the reverse: cooking good beef to well done or serving cheaper tough cuts not cooked enough. My late parents were opposites: I couldn't cook a steak rare enough for my dad, nor well done enough for my mother.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 4:50PM
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BUTTER... not margarine. REAL MAYO... not MW. Steaks (filet, rib eye, prime rib) MUST be seriously pink. Roast "beast" (any big hunk that doesn't work well pink)... cooked to death, so I get lots of good brown stuff in bottom of pan for gravy. REAL coffee... ground from beans... though do have a jar of instant, in case of an emergency!?! Tuna has to be solid in olive oil... imported preferred. Vegetable/corn oil for any frying, but extra virgin olive oil for any kinda salad dressing.

NOT picky about things like... peanut butter, hot sauces, ketchup, mustard. Most store brands are fine with me. Often will take a chance on an off-brand. Store brand is fine for frozen veggies or canned, though don't buy a lot of canned.

For me, I know some of these items are a result of NOT having them growing up. Don't think I really know what mayo tasted like until I went away to college?? Always had MW at home. I know we NEVER had olive oil in the house.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 8:20PM
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This is a great thread.

I agree with the Helllman's mayo. Nothing else will do.
Bagels: just bagels, maybe with sesame or poppy seeds. Adding raisins or chocolate or blueberries is simply blasphemous.
Tuna fish: only Bumblebee solid white, and only with mayo (see above). No celery, relish, hot sauce, or anything else.
Now if someone can point me in the direction of a real chewy rye bread with a good crust, I'd greatly appreciate it.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 8:40PM
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It's Duke's mayo here for this Southern girl! Hellman's is fine, but why buy that when I can find Duke's everywhere here?

Creamed chipped beef is served on toast; sausage gravy is served on biscuits. Don't ask me why.... it just is.

Coffee should be made with 2 tablespoons of coffee to 6 oz. of water. That's the industry standard and anything weaker than that is just tinted water.

A really good homemade cake or pie is great, yes please. An excellent bakery cake or pie might be acceptable. Anything else - I don't care for any, but, thank you.

An egg with a runny yolk will nevah! pass these lips!


    Bookmark   August 16, 2012 at 10:55PM
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Off the top of my head, the things I won't eat because I can't stand the taste are tinned soups, and cakes from mixes. Instant mashed potatoes and tinned or add-water-and-mix gravy also rank right down there. And I don't like whipped topping that masquerades as whipped cream, and I especially will not voluntarily consume Coffee Mate. Fat-free Half&Half is a contradiction in terms. Those are the real Yuckos! None of them allowed in my kitchen...

Otherwise, I'm not brand-specific about mayo, or most tinned foods. My family insists on Heinz ketchup, but I don't care since I can't stand the stuff. Period. While I prefer butter, I don't mind eating the low-fat spreads as long as they are trans-fat-free. I'm not sure I can tell the difference between various grades of olive oil, but I try to buy the good ones anyway. And please, spare me from artificial sweeteners! Diet pop gives me a headache - I'd rather drink water. I'm also pretty fussy about how my tea is prepared, and get really stroppy when hostesses don't differentiate between black teas and green or herb teas. I take milk in black, but does anyone put it in the others???

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 12:03AM
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I pretty much insist on real food--no margarine, no sugar substitutes, real vanilla, real chocolate, no instant anything, nothing with artificial flavors (I can taste the fake ingredients) especially fake maple syrup--yucch!!!

Give me real food.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 6:28AM
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Cains Mayo for us in the New England area is preferred.Prince Pasta another N.E. favorite.. won't buy any other brand...so silly...I know
Had to laugh about the Jello.. while I was in the hospital last week..Jello wasn't on the menu...anywhere...lol


    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 7:21AM
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I have many food preferences similar to the ones posted above but not to the degree that if someone invited me for lunch and had made chicken salad with Miracle Whip, I'd refuse to eat it. I'm not stubborn enough to let my purist tendencies override manners.

However, I am a stubborn purist about freezing raw meat and poultry. I don't - period. I would freeze cooked meat, like a pasta sauce with ground beef or sausage or a batch of sloppy joes but uncooked ground beef, chicken breasts or steaks have never seen the inside of my freezer. The texture of frozen meat and poultry is simply not the same as fresh.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 11:20AM
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Ruthanna, I never would be rude in turning down something like chicken salad or a main item in a meal, but it's easy to turn down a piece of cake, since everyone is ALWAYS dieting or I can simply say that dinner was so delicious that I just don't have room.

However, I do freeze meat, it's hard to eat an entire steer or pig, or two dozen chickens. (grin) You are right, though, it is different.


    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 1:20PM
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beachlily z9a

I'm not very stubborn about food. Don't think so anyway. I'll always find something to eat. However, the food has to be real--no substitutes, nothing instant, nobrines, or additives. Love all sorts of ethnic foods because they usually use less meat and more veggies. Fish must be from this country, veggies must be fresh. No red meat at all. None. Will gladly accept low fat if the taste is still real.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 1:26PM
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Fresh Tomatoes - Home grown or from the local farm stand only. I will not buy grocery store cardboard tomatoes. If doesn't have the right texture and taste, I'll save my money. In the off season, I'd rather use my homemade sundried or none.

Butter - I buy only Kate's from Maine or an organic European cultured butter. I don't buy margarine.

Mayo - I'm a New Englander so it has to be Cains.

Olive Oil for dipping and salad dressings - A DOP segretto usually from Boston's North End

Coffee - Whole bean Peruvian Free Trade Organic medium roast from a local coffee purveyor. I buy it in 1/2 half pound quantities and grind beans every morning. Well actually DH grinds the beans and makes the coffee. :-)

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 2:06PM
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It's been a while since I posted. I'm a purist about a few things.

Maple syrup - it needs to be the real stuff, preferably from a local producer. No fenugreek please. That includes things like Maple Walnut Ice Cream too.

Real mayonnaise- preferably Hellman's

Real chocolate and real vanilla - no chocolate flavored or vanilla flavored.

I use margarine to grease pans and for little of anything else. Please pass the butter (no butter substitutes!)

I also like good coffee (why do people like Ducan Donuts coffee so much? Blech! It always tastes like the burnt bottom of the pot to me.)

I also want muffins and scones. Don't not put gobs of goo (crumb topping, glazes, big chunky sugars, frosting etc) on top of them. I want the baked good, not the goo.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 2:11PM
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WOW, I could spend days commenting on each and every
post. But, one of the most obvious things I have gleaned, is the universal dislike of Miracle Whip. To me, mayonaise is very 'greasy'. I do use it in a 50/50 mix with tuna, though. Are Annie and I the only ones on earth that like Miracle Whip? I must admit, though, that I developed my taste for Miracle Whip as a child. My Mother
would not buy mayonaise because it cost more.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 3:46PM
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Bumblebeez SC Zone 7

I don't think I'm much of a purist but there are foods I never buy, like margarine and packaged pudding, tricuits, potato chips, microwave popcorn, boxed cereal, etc. But I would eat it at someone else's house if that's what they had.

And, of course I have preferred brands and particular tastes for what we eat at home which is mostly fresh, homemade.

I do prefer Hellmans and even though Dukes is made in my hometown, I have always hated it! But I don't use much mayo at all, I prefer olive oil.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 4:21PM
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1. Freshly milled flour - commercial whole wheat flour tastes like road dust
2. Maple syrup
3. Butter - not margarine
4. Coconut oil - not shortening
5. Real vanilla


    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 5:11PM
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Here is my list:
Only butter, no margarine
Only sugar, no substitutes
No chips, cereal,popcorn,sodas etc
No tea in bags, only freshly brewed tea from leaves
No corn syrup or any food which has it in its ingridients(allergy in the family)
No mayo or Miracle Whip (use sour cream or olive oil)

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 6:15PM
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I don't much care for mayonnaise or Miracle Whip, otherwise I agree with all of the above. I am rarely desperate enough to eat milk chocolate -- I must have the real thing and preferably the expensive version.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 7:12PM
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I like and use both mayonnaise and Miracle Whip....depends on what I am making. I have found that a combination of the two and a bit of ranch dressing makes a tasty pasta salad dressing!

Manners do take precedence over my preferences, but if I can avoid margarine and cool whp, I will. Tim's family gatherings are nothing but a smorgasbord of processed foods, desserts from mixes and all kinds of fake crap. I take a little bit of the least offenders and claim I am full. I would be skinny if I lived with any of them! LOL


    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 7:35PM
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Butter, not margarine.

Real maple syrup, not flavored corn syrup.

Locally made fresh hot Hungarian sausage, not store bought kielbasa.

Nothing with partially or fully hydrogenated fat of any kind.

(But we do love our Miracle Whip!)

    Bookmark   August 17, 2012 at 8:28PM
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Linda, I also use both Miracle Whip and mayo, depending on the food. Miracle Whip on tomato or peanut butter sandwiches, mayo in potato salad and devilled eggs.

boo, that's how I feel about Charbucks .... um....Starbucks. It's like a burned pot. I get locally roasted Paramount Breakfast Blend from Lansing, Michigan, and grind my own fresh each day. elery doesn't drink coffee.


    Bookmark   August 18, 2012 at 12:10AM
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My preference is to buy AAA beef, not sure what it's graded in the States. I try not to cook it more than medium.

I don't like any food substitutes either, give me real sugar or give me nothing. I won't use that fake edible oil product (whipped topping), either. My one exception to the rule would be soft margarine for toast, it has to be Becel, which is only available in Canada. I wished I could carry it in my luggage when we go on vacation. :) I use butter for most baking and a combination of butter and lard for pastry.

My family insists on Heinz Ketchup, HP sauce, and French's mustard; we keep both Hellman's and Miracle Whip in the house.

I'm not too snobby about coffee, but I can't buy the cheap stuff because I did once and my husband told me not to buy those "sticks and twigs" ever again.

Sort of related to food: I am meticulous in the kitchen when it comes to cleanliness. I wash my hands frequently and always practice good sanitary habits. I cringe when I see people cross contaminate food. I like to clean as I go and often will have the cooking dishes done before sitting down to a meal.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2012 at 1:35AM
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Whipping cream with one ingredient: cream! Everything in our regular grocery store has guar gum or other thickeners added so it takes trip to Whole Foods or Trader Joes (or sometimes Smart and Final, but usually only their half gallon "manufacturing cream" is unadulterated).

In general, I avoid foods with those thickeners - I feel like I can tell they are there and they make the food gummy and interfere with the flavor.

I don't particularly like any jarred mayo, real or not. I'll tolerate it in small amounts in a tuna salad. Fresh made mayo is a different beast so, on rare occasions, I'll make some. Usually I just do vinaigrette based things instead.

We keep kosher so we can't mix milk and meat at a meal so I use to substitute pareve (no milk or meat derived ingredients) margarine to adapt a recipe with butter for a meat meal but the stuff is vile. I learned about coconut oil on this forum so now I either substitute that or choose a recipe that doesn't need milk ingredients. E.g. making a biscotti instead of a buttery cookie.

I'll also second the real maple syrup. If I'm traveling and they don't have that, I'll use jam on my pancakes instead of syrup or get something that doesn't need syrup.

At home I usually use loose leaf tea, but bags are okay when traveling. But what I hate is when they bring out a bunch of flavored teas. I just want black tea or green tea with nothing else except occasionally a fresh sprig of mint, chai spices (but the pre-made chai blends are sometimes not to my taste) or the green tea with toasted rice. No flowers - I hate Earl Grey.

My niece gave me a collection of Fortnum and Mason tea bags as a thank you for funding her attendance at a summer program in London. Those make tea as good as any loose tea.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2012 at 11:41PM
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Clod, I can sigh under each one of tea comments. Flavored tea blends in bags are something I really dislike. To make it even worse they often contain hybiscus flowers for color and I am allergic to them. So it is taste issues plus health issues to me. Give me a good black or greean loose tea anytime. When I am trveling black tea in bags w/o flavoring are better than nothing.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2012 at 7:48AM
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I also agree on the tea. I drink black tea, or occasionally a mint tea to settle a queasy stomach. I don't care for herb tea, flavored tea or even green tea. Just give me plain old black tea. Even Lipton and Red Rose bags are better than some of those herbal things.

My favorite tea is from the Mediterranean Market, it's in their bulk section and simply marked "ceylon". It makes the best pot ever and is really good iced too.


    Bookmark   August 20, 2012 at 10:03AM
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I'm pretty easygoing on foods since it's a subjective thing. Some like one, while others like something else. I too like Miracle Whip. I don't taste the sweet in it people sometimes comment on, rather I find it more of a "tangy" or tart, almost approaching a citrus like description where Hellmans is totally flavorless so I won't bother with it at all if that's the only option. I do like to mix things up in slaws, potato and pasta salads, mixing sour cream, Miracle Whip (or a decent mayo) and a touch of ranch. I'll even use a dash of ranch in place of mayo on a sandwich but I'm surprised nobody is fussy about the sour cream. Never hear that mentioned. Interesting.

No margarine for me and if it's not fresh ground, I'll pass on pepper. Vanilla - only real.

If you can't drink the coffee black, then it's not made properly. Drink hot chocolate then AFAIC.

Iced tea is to be ice and tea. Maybe some lemon but *no* sugar. The overuse of sugar in everything in this country (or make that continent) is disgusting. Sugared vegetables, sugared meats, sugared water, etc. No wonder so many women's feet look like footballs and people resemble barrels.

I know I'm different than many on meats, but I still have teeth and want to be able to use them when eating meat. I still chew meat, not gum it and I don't like squishy meat that resembles a cross between Jell-O and mushrooms which rare is especially the way they bury it in "tenderizer" these days. Very few people realize that cooking past medium rare does *not* mean cremation or hockey puck. Same with cooking eggs past over easy.

I'll use the onion soup mix for a dip on rare occasion but I laugh at (and pass on) the "Souper Meatloaf"! No wonder it gets buried in catchip! LOL I'll take the time to chop an onion, thank you.

And it's disgusting to not remove the membrane on ribs.

I use very little salt these days (other than when mixed in the seasoning mixes I buy but I'm doing less of them too) and when I do I prefer kosher or sea salt.

And any cooking device that has high and low as the only options is a waste of time. I want to control temperatures when I cook.

But the one thing I'm the most stubborn purist about is my motto: Homemade is *not* always better!

    Bookmark   August 20, 2012 at 3:16PM
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The main ingredient in chili sauce must be chilies - otherwise it should be called something else. Also, it should never have sugar and should not have tomatoes. If it has tomatoes, it could be called ketchup, adobo sauce, salsa, enchilada sauce, or barbeque sauce, but it is no longer chili sauce. In fact, the best enchilada sauce does not have tomatoes either. Texas chili also does not have tomatoes. I so much love the pure flavor of chili and it is so much a part of my childhood and growing up that I get very disturbed when I find it with extraneous ingredients that detract from the essential chili flavor. Also, it is important to be careful which chilies you combine, as not all of them are compatible, and there is quite a bit of variation in the flavor of one chili to another. I'm growing a lot of my own chilies so that I can get an even purer and fresher flavor. Fortunately, chili plants do well for me, unlike tomato plants.

I like adobo sauce as well, but I do not call it chili sauce. I'm hoping more people will learn to appreciate the true unadulterated flavor of chilies, which is one of my all time favorite ingredients.


    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 1:35AM
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Another New Englander here so it has to be Cains Mayo when we don't make it ourselves. Maine lobsters, real butter not margarine or "oleo", New England maple syrup. We eat very little processed foods. So fresh fruits and veggies in season. Eggs/chickens from our local farm here in town. (Altho when we are making hot wings we will by in bulk at the wharehouse stores). Skippy peanut butter. Not Jiff or homemade. Tried making that once...ewwww. NancyLouise

    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 7:07AM
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Congratulations Cynic, you win the prize for knowing
what Miracle Whip is all about. Maybe if a Miracle
Whip representative read this, I will make all kinds
of money, (chortle, chortle).

    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 2:07PM
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I'm with Annie on this one. How unuusal. NOT! I use Mayo in loads of things and only Miracle Whip in others. Different tastes for different applications.

I didn't think I was a purist, but I really don't like anything flavored, those mentioned repeatedly, e.g. vanilla, chocolate, and maple. I'll do without rather than eat those things. So I guess I am somewhat picky. Huh, whodda thunk it?

    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 2:21PM
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Ripe tomatoes - off season for the most part I use canned tomatoes rather than the grocery store ones. Sometimes I roast GS plum tomatoes with good results. And more recently there is an enormous european style tomato greenhouse nearby - their tomatoes are okay.

As has been mentioned before real over artificial ingredients. Real cheese, real butter, real eggs, real chocolate, real maple syrup etc...

I tend to like things on the tart side - so usually I use less sugar in pies, tarts, cookies - I really don't like pie fillings that taste like life savers or koolaid.

I don't like mayo or miracle whip so I have no opinion on that debate.

    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 2:57PM
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Fake vanilla extract is awful and if I get something made with it I'll likely leave some on my plate. It's so easy to have homemade.

Real butter - if not available, I'll pass.

Real maple syrup. There really isn't a substitute, IMO. The fake is another product entirely - it's not maple syrup.

Mayo/Miracle Whip - I don't eat either so those are items I would take a polite pass on, if offered.

Cool Whip - I don't even know if that's food? Nope, I'll pass.

I'm with Lars on the chili sauce - no tomatoes, please. But, that's if they call it "Chili Sauce" and use it as such. If it's used in some other way, I'm okay with it, like if it's thick and called "Spicey Ketchup" used to dip a French fry, maybe.

I can tell by looking if a dip is made with a "packet of something" and they're easy to avoid without being rude.

And, I don't eat homemade canned things unless I know who did the canning.

There's probably more.


    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 3:32PM
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My spread has to be butter.
The steak has to be medium rare.
Pepper must be fresh ground.
The pie crust must be home made.

    Bookmark   August 24, 2012 at 10:07PM
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I cannot think of a thing to add. We are just idiots about our food as we often spend so much for the good things to eat.
And quietly I will whisper one thing I do that I NEVER tell to the guests...
One container of COOL WHIP with one container of really cheap rasberry yogurt (has more thickening) and dip really good and ripe strawberies.
I have never told this recipie but it is gone in seconds.
I think it is heroric to cheat once in awhile.
I am usually so much a perfectionist when it comes to food and nutrition. :)

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 3:27AM
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GAD --such bad spelling!

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 3:30AM
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I was raised on Miracle Whip. When I got married, DH wanted a tuna salad sandwich. I made it with Miracle Whip. He took one bite and cringed. Now after years of mayonnaise I don't like Miracle Whip. Also prefer real maple syrup, real vanilla extract, real home-made cakes, not mixes, real whipped cream, not Cool-Whip. I want my steak naked and medium rare with only salt and pepper. I want my baked potato baked au naturel, NOT in aluminum foil. I want my fresh veggies either steamed or roasted, not boiled. MUSTARD is allowed on hot dogs - NOT EVER ketchup. Other than that I am pretty versatile, except for one very important thing - NO SQUARE PLATES!!!! I detest them, and if I see one I get very angry. In fact, if I am ever served in a restaurant with one, I will probably have to ask for a round plate, I don't know what my problem is with them, it's just one of those wierdities.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 1:15PM
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I have to have crisp bacon, crisp enough that I rarely order bacon or anything with bacon (BLT, for example) in restaurants. Every once in a while, I'll try bacon, and I ask for it burnt, and on a separate plate so I can send it back easily. If it bends, it isn't crisp.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 1:24PM
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Nothing is off limits for me. I even enjoy Spam, Slime, Scrapple ---.

Except two: No store tomatoes, and no canned fish.


    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 2:39PM
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Dcarch, you better go hide.
Ritaweeda dispises square plates,(grin).

On a more positive note, (if there is such a thing),
What if there was never such a thing as Miracle Whip?
And . . . if someone came up with a recipe to make
mayonaisse 'tangy', (like Miracle Whip is), would
it replace sliced bread as the best thing ever?

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 3:09PM
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I have both mayo (Dukes) and MW because to me they have different uses and aren't interchangeable. RARE color=red> steak. Ketchup on hot dogs, celery seed, cayenne pepper, Vidalia onion relish, spot of mustard. Baked potatoes (not steamed in foil)..

    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 4:19PM
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I have to agree with all the above. Has to be Best Foods, east of the Rockies thatâÂÂs Hillmans, no MW has ever been in my kitchen. Real butter, usually Tillamook, and real cheese. Lately I have been buying organic beef and chicken from Costco.

I do have canned meat and chicken, again Costco, in my emergency supply pantry along with canned butter and cheese. I donâÂÂt use many canned foods but do use freeze dried and dehydrated a lot.

IâÂÂm fussy about sour cream has to be Daisy itâÂÂs the only one that I could find that has cream as the only ingredient.


    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 8:19PM
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Posted by lbpod "Dcarch, you better go hide.
Ritaweeda dispises square plates,(grin). ----"


I use square plates for practical purposes.

1. They do not roll around in the dishwasher and dish drainer by the sink.

2. They take less room on the table.

3. The shape makes it less possible for food to drop on the table.

4. They fit nicely in the microwave and toaster oven.

5. Oh yeah, they are trendy too! LOL!


    Bookmark   August 25, 2012 at 8:30PM
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Wow! I'm fairly picky when it comes to the following:

Salt: Diamond Crystal Brand (and no other) Kosher salt
Cilantro or Lemongrass: Fresh, never dried
Standard Soy Sauce: Kikkoman only
Chile: Spelled this way when speaking of the fruit
Chili: Spelled this way when speaking of the prepared dish. Everything else is incorrect, whether or not you live in Canada. And, yes. There is only one 'L.'
Pizza: Work around the pie in one direction or the other. If you pull a slice from the middle - after we've already started serving - I'm going to slap your hand.
Cookies: Should ALWAYS be removed from the oven before done. There are no exceptions.
Hamburgers: should be built from the bottom up - cheese, meat, lettuce, onion, tomatoes, pickles, sauce, top bun. There are very good reasons for this.

And finally ...

Hot Dogs: Beef only

Speaking of hot dogs, they can be grilled, fried, broiled, microwaved, seared - or boiled. *But* the bun must either be steamed or toasted.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Unorthodox Epicure: Confessions of an Aspiring Food Snob

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 10:00AM
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But, but, but, when I try to put things like onions, tomatoes and pickles on top of lettuce, they fall right off. Maybe it's because I put a salad's worth of lettuce on my sandwiches. I put pickles, then tomatoes, then lettuce on top of whatever I'm putting on a sandwich or hamburger, so they don't fall off.

Mayonnaise is tangy, Miracle Whip is sweet.

I don't eat snack chips often, but when I do, they can have no more than 3 ingredients. Potatoes, oil, salt....or corn, oil salt. Flavored chips, no matter what flavor they are, taste way too sweet to me. All I can taste is the sugar or corn syrup or dextrose or whatever sweetening ingredient they put in them. Sadly, I guess, for DH, I turned him off a barbecued potato chips, which he used to love, by pointing out to him I don't like them because they're too sweet. Now, all he can taste in them is the sweetness. Why do they have to put sugar in everything?!

I agree with the butter thing - no margarine in my house, thank you. I much prefer fresh ground coffee that's pour through, but my budget doesn't allow that often, so I guess I'm not purist about coffee - I drink what I can afford. But then again, I fork over money for fresh fruit and veggies all the time without blinking an eye.

My eggs can only come from pastured hens. Cage free doesn't cut it. I will pay any amount of money for eggs I know came from chickens allowed to roam freely.

I like pure semisweet chocolate. My chocolate treat is semisweet baking chocolate. Chocolate bars designed as candy are too sweet.


    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 11:16AM
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Oh yeh...hot dog, hamburger & brat buns have to be home made. Those big bakery sawdust cakes are just awful &, esp. with the price of good ground beef nearing the 'luxury food' category, no way am I going to waste good beef on a sub-par bun.

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 11:18AM
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Sally - The lettuce serves as the 'bed' and the insulator between the hot meat and the cool vegetables. On top of the lettuce should go the onions, tomatoes, then pickles. Why? Because the pickle juice trickles down to the tomato slice, and takes some tomato and pickle flavor to the onion. It all rests on the bed of lettuce.

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 11:56AM
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And here is how you should dress a hot dog:

~ mustard on the hot dog bun
~ hot dog in the bun
~ finely chopped fresh raw onion
~ (pickle relish goes next if you are using it)
~ hot dog chili sauce - preferably homemade
~ slaw - also homemade, not too much mayo.

The other toppings keep the onions from falling out! You will notice there is no tomato ketchup listed? That is just not done unless you are a child and not old enough to know better yet. This is, of course, a Southern style hot dog. Yankee or Midwest dogs are dressed differently - and they can be really delicious in their own right!

Bless you, unorthodoxepicure, for the chili/chile explanation. But how do you spell the plural of chile.... chilies?


    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 1:09PM
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Real butter - no margarine EVER.

Plain coffee - no flavored varieties.

Plain coffee creamer of the liquid variety only. Not non-fat or any flavors.

And NO SALT with my margarita, thank you very much!

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 1:29PM
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Teresa - First, the plural of chile is chiles or chile peppers. ;-)

As for your hot dog rules, I like them. I do, however, believe that it is OK to have mustard directly on the dog, so long as you make the squiggly line with the mustard. We are southern here in northeast Texas, but we do not typically drag our hot dogs 'through the garden' with slaw. We more commonly serve them with kraut, or with chili and cheese (cold cheese beneath the chili so that the heat of the chili melts the cheese nicely).

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 2:17PM
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Thanks for the spelling clarification! And yes, a squiggle line of mustard is absolutely acceptable. If the slaw is too wet with mayo, it can cause the entire hot dog assemblage to fall apart. In a pinch, I will get a little carton of slaw at the local BBQ joint as I know their slaw is not too sloppy.

I'll have to try a chili and cheese dog. Another one I grew up with was a bacon cheese dog: slit cut in the hot dog, fairly thick stick of cheese inserted in the slit, bacon wrapped around (may have been partially cooked bacon) and the whole thing grilled on a flattop until bacon was done and cheese was melted. These could be found at a tiny little diner uptown here in my town.


    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 2:47PM
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Oh yeah, ketchup, (catsup, yadda yadda yadda), on hot
dogs. In my whole elderly life, I have only seen
small children put 'it' on hot dogs. Obviously I am
wrong, but I wonder why. Are the hot dogs that different
in different parts of the country? Eating a hot dog with
ketchup on it is like eating peaches with ketchup on them.
I know, I know . . . to each his own, but YUCKKKKKKKKK.
My appologies if I offended any catsup on hot dog lovers.
There is, however, a tiny, tiny exclusion to the rule,
and that is if there are french fries served with the
hot dog, then it's okay to have Ketchup, after all,
'it all comes out in the same place'.

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 2:53PM
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The spelling and associated meanings of chili depend on which authority you choose to follow. In my Random House Dictionary, Chile is a country in South America and is always capitalized. If not capitalized, it is a Spanish word with the same meaning as the English word "chili", which refers to both the fruit and the dish made with the fruit. Canada and Britain have their own standards which are equally valid, although I do not use them. The American Webster dictionary allows for chili to be spelled with a double "L" and also says that "chile" is an alternate spelling of "chili" although "chili" is the preferred spelling for both the fruit and the dish, unless one is using the Spanish spelling, as in the phrase "chile con carne". My dictionaries are probably too old to be considered contemporary today, but that's all I have. My German is even more archaic than my English, or so I have been told by young Germans.

Fortunately, I do not eat hot dogs!!


    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 2:53PM
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Thanks, Unorthodoxepicure, your explanation makes perfect sense.

Ketchup goes nowhere anything that I eat. I love almost anything tomato, but not ketchup, nor catsup, either.


    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 3:57PM
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Lars - My dictionaries say the same thing. Chile Pepper Magazine, however, says nothing of the sort. And, this is one thing I'm stubborn about. ;-)

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 4:34PM
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"Eating a hot dog with ketchup on it is like eating peaches with ketchup on them." "That is just not done unless you are a child and not old enough to know better yet."

I was upset with comments like above and others because they made me feel like I had no business participating on this forum due to my obviously juvenile and underdeveloped palate. Then after a few days of stewing over it I thought of the number of times over the years that I shrieked at what posters included in their spaghetti sauce recipes for example. I just never would post my astonishment at those ingredients--nor would I post and subsequently subject my beloved family recipe to public scrutiny. Of course just because we (my family) have loved our sauce recipe for decades, there's no guarantee that it's not from the red-neck area of Italy.

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 11:26AM
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Come on up, specially in this weather, and I'll eat a rare steak with you! In the meantime, stay safe!

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 1:16PM
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Mustangs, surely you know these pronouncements are mostly said made with "tongue in cheek." I'll admit some of us have gotten a little carried away with being "stubborn purists." I would not injure your feeling or the feelings of anyone else here deliberately and I'm sorry if my words came across that way.


    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 1:35PM
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I didn't think I was a purist about much but after posting my dill pickle recipe on another thread...I guess I do have things I'm a "purist" about ! LOL

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 2:16PM
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Mustangs, I'm sorry. I was being a little 'childish'
myself. ketchup/catsup is entirely acceptable on
hot dogs, or on anything else, as far as that goes.
I guess I was trying to put forth my 'personal' views.
I guess I was out of line. Again, I'm sorry.

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 3:25PM
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I put catsup/ketchup on my hot dogs(on the rare occasion that I do have one)and lots of other stuff too. So if you need someone to eat your hot dogs with Mustangs, I'm your gal. After all, they are hot dogs. Lord knows what they are made of so I guess I'm not a purist about them or the things I top them with. lol NancyLouise

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 3:36PM
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What seems to have been lost here is the word "you." I'm certainly not trying to stir any pots, especially since my diatribe about chiles (with one 'L') might be considered to be offensive.

My wife insists on putting sauerkraut in her tomato-based sauce when making homemade cabbage rolls. I believe this to be an abomination ... so much so that I eat peanut butter & jelly when she makes this. And she believes that I'm a backwoods hick because I love fried chicken gizzards. I prefer mustard on my hamburger. She prefers ketchup and mayo. I think her taste buds are lacking in refinement. She thinks I'm weird. But, guess what? We love each other .. Or at least, I think we do. ;-)

I still believe that using more than one 'L' in the word 'chile' or 'chili' is wrong. I'm a professional writer and an inaugural subscriber to Chile Pepper Magazine. But, as was pointed out here, different regions, dictionaries and so on and so forth. My opinion is just that ... And nothing more.

Though I don't care what you put on your hot dog, I do know that all of my children used ketchup when they were younger. Heck, even McDonald's goes heavy on the ketchup in their kids' hamburgers. Obviously there is some nationwide association with children and ketchup. That makes it even less fortunate (and more surprising) that anyone would "stew" for a couple of days because someone else thinks it's juvenile to use ketchup on a hot dog.

C'mon already. Aren't we friends here? Can we not joke a little? My goodness. I can think of 9,000 better reasons to "stew." Just saying.


    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 8:04PM
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Well put ajh.....but then again you have endeared me by acknowledging chile as an appropriate spelling. .....I feel vindicated :-)

    Bookmark   August 27, 2012 at 8:57PM
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My boss and I fight about commas,,, and how "canceled" is spelled. It's that Canadian thing (teehee! He is French Canadian). He thinks it's "cancelled". I'm right though! Probably spells favor with a u. TOTALLY KIDDING! Well, we do fight about grammer, but we like (good friends) each other and respect one another. I just didn't like Cathy feeling anything other than wonderful. She's wonderful; I wanted to hug her!!! Internet robs of us of seeing the direction of the emotion. I'm sure unortho didn't mean it against anyone, but Cathy was still hurt. Ortho, you can eat my table any day! I too prefer mustard on a burger, and chicken livers or gizzards, fried please, yum!

    Bookmark   August 28, 2012 at 8:17AM
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Awww, Cathy, I didn't want to hurt yours or anyone else's feelings either. I don't like catsup, but I keep it here because others in my family do like it. Even on their hot dogs. and they're adults. It never occurred to me to dis them or anyone else for liking ketchup on their hot dogs.

I remember a local radio talk show host back in the 70's and 80's. He hated, absolutely despised mayonnaise on hamburgers. He even hated people that put mayonnaise on their hamburgers. It astonished me just how emotional and bent out of shape he got over the subject. He conducted great interviews, but at some point he kind of lost it, and now, well, I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he saw one too many people put mayonnaise on their burgers.


    Bookmark   August 28, 2012 at 9:45AM
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Cathy? Whoa! I was referring to the possibility of offending Lars with my chile rant. LOL. Unless Cathy and Lars are one and the same...

To whomever I might have offended: Come to Longview, Texas and I'll buy you a really nice seafood dinner at Long John Silver's. ;-)

    Bookmark   August 28, 2012 at 6:22PM
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I've met Cathy, and so I can confirm that we are indeed separate people, although I felt an instant kinship with her when we did meet, and we sat together at dinner at the Indian restaurant in Beverly Hills.

It is possibly a bad idea to bring out everyone's stubborn sides. While I may cling stubbornly to a certain belief for myself, I try to be as tolerant as possible to variations, and I appreciate different points of view, as long as they are tolerant as well. I see absolutely no reason for any group to agree on anything in particular, but then I've been in many groups that were never able to reach conclusions. I like the open-endedness of that, whereas others prefer the finality of concensus.

I've been to Longview and thought it was a very pretty town, but that was back in 1964, and I've not been back there since. I'm sure Cathy would like it.


    Bookmark   August 28, 2012 at 7:33PM
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This post is really making me want a hot dog with mustard, ketchup and relish! LOL

    Bookmark   August 29, 2012 at 3:15PM
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Angelaid....ya really gotta try ketchup on peaches.
(or was that 'catsup' on peaches?).
Gawd almighty, I knew I should have been an English
major, like my Mother said I should be.

    Bookmark   August 29, 2012 at 3:25PM
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Lars, you are possibly the most tolerant person I've ever met, and I do try to be polite and tolerant too. You are right, it's probably a bad idea to invite people to express all the things they are intolerant of, it can only lead to argument. I keep remembering the CF "motto": "Don't yuck my yum". It's OK to say you don't like something or you do it differently, but not OK to tell anyone else they are wrong because they like something you don't. I try to remember that good manners should always take precedence over my personal food preferences (of which I have many, LOL).

Cathy is a very sweet person, with or without catsup. I always have a bottle of Heinz in the house for my son in law, who eats it on everything from macaroni and cheese to mashed potatoes. He's 30, has an engineering degree, owns his own business as a mechanic. His specialty is working on heavy equipment and semi-tractors. he's definitely not a child, he's a very responsible adult with two children and a wife and he's a very physically tough individual. He certainly may have catsup if he wants it and I can't imagine that anyone would look him in the eye and tell him otherwise, LOL. Funny thing, though, he wouldn't eat a hot dog if he were starving.

So, anyway, I still love you, Cathy, and there's always a bottle of Heinz at my house, feel free to stop by!

And no one here has even mentioned Chicago Dogs.....


    Bookmark   August 29, 2012 at 11:15PM
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Thanks for the comments!

You know what they say at the Central Market in Houston:

"Chew with your mind open."

    Bookmark   August 30, 2012 at 12:29PM
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I've been away for a while and I thought of a couple of more things:

Hot dogs must be Kosher. No unidentified body parts acceptable.

Chocolate syrup: only Fox's U-Bet will do. It's the only thing to use to make an egg cream and it makes Hershey's syrup taste like dust.

And FYI: I had a former Kraft chemist working for me a while ago and she said NEVER EVER eat Cool Whip. And when I asked why, she told me I didn't want to know. Take that for what it's worth!

    Bookmark   August 31, 2012 at 12:23AM
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