Alternative to HD ecosmart-575L for shallow 6" can

twitter007November 10, 2012

Folks,

I replaced several incandescent recessed bulbs with Home Depot

s ecosmart-575L following recommendations on this forum. There are some shallow cans in my house where eco 575L doesn't fit. I believe they are Halo 27 series cans. Any recommendations for LED bulbs which will fit in shallow cans.

Thanks

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robj

I saw these with the can lights in my local Home Depot (not with the light bulbs). For some reason, I can't find them on their website.

I have the Halo H27RICAT cans in my kitchen and need a shallow LED as well.

Here is a link that might be useful: Halo RL7

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 9:31AM
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robj

OK - Below is the link to this item on the HD site. The package states that they will fit the shallow 5 and 6" Halo cans.

Since I already have the airtight trim rings installed, I may just go with the EcoSmart 9 or 14 watt bulbs and save $25 to $30 per fixture.

The EcoSmarts don't dim well but I'll be using them in the kitchen without a dimmer. According to the reviews, the Halos dim much better.

Here is a link that might be useful: Halo 6 in. White LED Recessed Lighting Trim

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 1:05PM
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lee676

I've used the 14w BR30 Ecosmart (made by Lighting Science) - not bad, but didn't care for it - slightly pinkish color compared to an incandescent bulb (or the 575L) and doesn't turn on until about 2/3 second after you flip the switch. HD also sells a Philips BR30 2700K that's slightly better, although it too has both of these issues to a lesser degree. Some of the Halo LED modules (not the ones sold in the big-box stores) look great on paper, maybe better than the Cree CR6/Ecosmart 575L, though I haven't used one yet.

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 6:36PM
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robj

I never had incandescents in these cans so I can't compare them. I had CFL floods in them from the day I installed them. I can't stand waiting for them to warm up. I've replaced half of them with the 14w EcoSmart LED's now and can see what you mean about the slight pinkish cast but only when I look directly at them and compare them to the (GE) CFL's. My daughter can't see the difference at all. The lighting in the room looks the same. The cabinets and walls have nice color. I really don't mind the slight delay in turning on - it sure beats 1 - 2 minutes for the CFL's to warm up.

Are the Halo retrofits different at Home Depot/Lowes than elsewhere? I really can't see spending more and throwing away the existing trim rings, especially with the rate of change in lighting technology. I may end up replacing these before they burn out.

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 7:44PM
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lee676

The included trim rings are often the same; the LED module itself (which is interchangable) sometimes gives off better quality light. But the Lowes/HD ones are still reasonably good. HD sells them as Commercial Electric or All-Pro IIRC.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2013 at 2:02PM
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David

Here's another
http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-household-bulbs/led-product/1219/

    Bookmark   January 12, 2013 at 4:11PM
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robj

Here is the Philips bulb.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2013 at 5:15PM
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robj

And here is the EcoSmart:

    Bookmark   January 12, 2013 at 5:16PM
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robj

The EcoSmart looks better off but the Philips is instant on - no noticeable delay at all. Color is very similar - the Philips is a little more to the yellow end.

This post was edited by robj on Sat, Jan 12, 13 at 17:21

    Bookmark   January 12, 2013 at 5:18PM
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lee676

Suppose I should also mention the new Cree-based T67 flushmount LED disks that HD just started selling under the Commercial Electric brand (replacing the Lighting Science-based units). Install in a 6" or most 5" cans or even an electrical junction box. Look better than the old ones, more like separate bulbs in a regular trim baffle. 650 lumens, 2700K, 12.5 watts. T24 compliant. No mention of CRI.


    Bookmark   January 13, 2013 at 6:06AM
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robj

Pretty cool that they can be mounted in a junction box. One of the two reviews said they hum when dimmed.

Commercial Electric 6 in. Recessed Soft White LED Disk Light

They also have a 4", 600 lumen version: Commercial Electric 4 in. Recessed Soft White LED Disk Light for Can Lighting

    Bookmark   January 13, 2013 at 11:03AM
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lee676

Or make that will - they currently show as out of stock online and not available in any of my local stores. Anyway, the specs for these can be found on the Energy Star online spreadsheet, which shows the lumens for the 6" and 4" versions are more like 652 and 620 respectively, the actuall wattage iw in the low 11s for both, and that CRI isn't all that high, 80.2 for the 6" an 81.7 for the 6". Cree's model numbers for these are CE-JB6-650L-27K-E26 and CE-JB4-650L-27K-E26.

I was almost about to install the 6" light I bought to replace a hideous swag lamp in the hallway ceiling, but may hold out for the 4" model now. The actual trim rings are more like 7.5" and 6" and are on the HD spec pages. The design is interesting, with a 3-prong holder familiar to CR6/Ecosmart 575L users except it's easily removable if you're installing in a J-box. The 4" version has smaller prongs to cling to 4" cans rather than 6" or maybe 5". There is a pigtail, to which you can attach either a standard Edison socket (included) or a pair of wires with bare ends for hardwiring, which yields T24 compliance. It's dimmable to 5%, rated for 35,000 hours, warranted for 3 years, and rated for wet locations and outdoor use (but I don't think direct exposure to rain, haven't read the instructions yet). Wish the CRI was higher, but nice light nonetheless.

    Bookmark   January 14, 2013 at 7:05AM
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robj

Probably why I didn't see it in my local HD.


4"

    Bookmark   January 14, 2013 at 8:00AM
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attofarad

Lots of the CE-JB6-650L-27K-E26 in stock local to me (San Jose, CA).

    Bookmark   January 14, 2013 at 3:07PM
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lee676

The 6" version I bought at HD includes that same accessories kit, including the E26 Edison socket pigtail, but still claims Title 24 compliance on the box for all you CAers (I assume this requires installation using the alternate hardwired pigtail). No GU24 socket is provided.

    Bookmark   January 14, 2013 at 11:56PM
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robj

The T67 came in at my local Home Depot and I installed one in a 5" can above a shower to replace the 50 watt par20 bulb that was there. 100 more lumens for 1/4 the electricity and a wider spread for the light. Overall, we're really pleased with it.

This guy is really big on the idea of replacing all attic can lights with these in properly sealed junction boxes.

    Bookmark   January 24, 2013 at 4:17PM
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attofarad

robj, do you have it on a dimmer? If so, how does the dimming compare to CR4, etc?

Does it come on instantly?

    Bookmark   January 24, 2013 at 7:10PM
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robj

No - I meant to test it on another circuit with a dimmer but forgot until after I installed it. It does come on instantly. It is as pleasing a light as the CR4's I have installed elsewhere. There is an extra step to retrofit it into an existing can - a ground wire needs to be clipped to the can housing. Not a big deal but worth noting.

    Bookmark   January 24, 2013 at 7:29PM
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