Is anyone happy with their front loader washer and dryer?

aprillhSeptember 8, 2013

I am in the market for a new W/D set but all I read about are the horror stories of the front loaders. It seems like that is 90% of the market these days though. I wouldn't mind getting them if I knew the issues of mildew smells, mystery holes, and short life span were resolved. So, anyone have a FL they love?

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You left off ridiculously long cycle times.

In my opinion, HE front load washer are a PITA. Once the novelty wears off, you're left with a machine takes two or three times as long. Do they clean better? Maybe, but they don't rinse well because they don't use enough water and they don't even do a fast spin between rinses like laundromat front loaders do.

Sometimes technology makes products better, but my Mom's 1975 top loader was simply better all around than anything you can buy today.

    Bookmark   September 8, 2013 at 9:23PM
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Relatively new front load washer owner here but I am happy. When we needed to replace our old agitator washer we were going to get a Speed Queen top loader. I was nervous about all the comments regarding HE top and front loaders. I continued to research. Consumers Report came out and didn't even rate agitator top loaders stating they didn't clean well. I am not sure though about them anymore but that was still in the back of my mind. The salesman went through the options and basic cleaning mechanics. We went with a front loader. I thought our wash was clean but DH and I were both amazed at how cleaner things were. We do have extra rinse cycle options but haven't felt the need to use them. Depending on the load the wash cycle is longer but drying is less. When looking at it that way the total load is not much longer - maybe at the most 15-20 minutes. But with better results, that trade off is worth it for us. Reportedly they are gentler on fabrics but too soon for me to have demonstrated proof of that. I went from a big skeptic to a believer!

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 5:54AM
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Yes, really like my FL washer. Drying takes less time, clothes are cleaner and washer is gentler on the clothes, cycles may be a bit longer but you can set the cycle you want. I have washed king size quilted bed spreads and they come out nice and clean. I have washed throw rugs and they come out nice...No complaints at all. The only advice I have is to get a direct drive is so quiet. Had a belt driven washer and it sounded like a jet plane taking off. LG and Whirlpool make direct drive, I know for sure.

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 2:20PM
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I've had my GE front load washer and dryer since 2006. I've never had a problem with the washer, and love it. I would never go back! I've never had a problem with odor or mildew (I leave the door open after a cycle--my mom taught me to do that 50 years ago with top loaders!). The most frequent cycles I use are 45 minutes or 1 hr 15 minutes. The longest I use (about once every two weeks) is a sanitary hot stain wash, which I use a little bleach with.; it takes just under three hours. I love the increased capacity, and how efficient the spin cycle is. I've never had any little holes or other damage. It is simply a matter of getting use to something different.

Kathy in Jax

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 3:15PM
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Great feedback, thank you. So for those happy with their FL, what brand do you have? So far, people seem to like Samsung and Whirlpool, or at least that's the names that have been mentioned favorably in other places. Same with you?

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 3:16PM
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We bought the GE RightHeight which is a direct drive machine.

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 8:08PM
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aprilh: "Is anyone happy with their front loader washer and dryer?"

1. Do you know of any dryers -- current or historical -- that are not front-loaders?

2. As to front-loading washers, yes, we are happy. But we have only somewhat more than three-quarters of a century use of front loader automatic washing machines in our family, so the jury is still out, I guess. No horror stories, none, nada, zero.

Our front-loading washers have averaged over 25 years' hard service each -- we are on our fourth, which is only a little over two years old now, so I guess durability may be criticized.

FWIW, our current washer is a Samsung WF419***. Because it is controlled by sensitive electronics, we have "modified" the Samsung by inserting a

    Bookmark   September 9, 2013 at 9:53PM
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No holes here. no mildew (after 2 years of frequent use). only issue is flaky electronics--my samsung 520 is currently awaiting another repair. I'm sure I've had no less than a dozen service calls. no hot water on normal cycle, Pure Cycle often bombs out after 2 hours, steam doesn't work on all cycles that it should work on, but man oh man, the washer cleans clothes like gangbusters. :) so much better than a top loader. when it works, it works very, very well.

    Bookmark   September 10, 2013 at 2:28AM
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We had the Whirlpool Duet Sport previously and we thought the washer was great (I don't pay any attention to cycle times for the washer -- I just put it in and leave and come back later) but the dryer, while it did an excellent job, was not fast as people suggest it should have been.

We now have a GE full-size set and both washer and dryer are great (dryer is very fast).

We're moving to an apartment that has a Frigidaire Gallery or Affinity stack --- we'll have to wait and see. If it's no good, we'll get something better, but if it works, we'll keep it.

    Bookmark   September 11, 2013 at 2:40PM
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Have a Samsung FL washer bought July 2012 and I love it. The lock was not great when we bought it and no surprise it broke in a few months but the replacement door lock has been solid. Poor initial design that's hopefully been corrected in newer models.

No smells, no problems with washing or rinsing. I *love* it. Big improvement from my previous washer. I like it more than my old school traditional first washer from way back when as well. That one cleaned well but things did get snagged on the agitator bar.

Dryer is my kenmore from my previous washer/dryer set. It's okay. Some issues with small loads not reading right on the sensor but you just opt to use timed dry to avoid it. So long as it gets the job done we'll keep it. No use in throwing money into a new machine when the old is doing its job.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 8:44AM
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I thought the same as you when I first came here about 10 years ago because I needed to buy a new washer and dryer. I took the plunge on a front loader in spite of all the horror stories. I haven't had any problems and couldn't be happier. I have the Kenmore branded version of Whirlpool Duet at home and Fridgidaire Affinity at my weekend lake place. Had to get the Affinity as it was smaller and fit in the available space. It "feels" like the Whirlpool is better constructed to me but both have been working well.

I do leave the washer door ajar to dry out inside and have had no mold or mildew issues. The FL washers don't mangle my clothes, they seem cleaner (though that could be the Sears HE detergent) and I can wash things I couldn't wash in my TL like rugs, big comforters, etc. My regular cycle takes 45-50 mins which seems reasonable to me. I can choose options that take over an hour. Things do dry faster because they're already so dry when they're done spinning.

Based on my experience I would highly recommend a FL.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2013 at 10:43AM
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I have had my Electrolux 70 series pair for a year and a half, and I'm happy with them. I love the capacity, and they clean our clothing better than the 1992 Maytag pair that they replaced. I can do a few things on hand wash or my king sized comforter, and they come out equally clean. Overall, our clothes are cleaner and less wrinkled coming out of the dryer than they ever were with the old set. When we first got them, I did find that I needed to experiment a little to find my 'groove', I tried different detergents and different amounts of them until I found the right balance for my laundry needs. I had to dial back the spin speed for knits, otherwise they started showing signs of premature wear--just down to high or even medium. Even at medium spin, clothing is dryer than they were coming out of the top loader. I program an extra rinse most of the time, because I'm just really fussy about detergent smells, and I like to have it completely rinsed out. I have no issues with mold or bad smells at all. I run a "clean washer' cycle with bleach occasionally, when the machine signals that it's time. I leave the door open for a bit after washing, and I run a rag around the gasket occasionally to be sure that it stays clean. I'm happy with the set, and have no regrets about going to a front loader or buying the brand I did.

Best of luck choosing the new set.


    Bookmark   September 14, 2013 at 10:36PM
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I had the same concerns two years both my Sansung front-load washer and steam dryer. I have had no mildew-funky smells either from the washer itself or clothes. This is my routine...shortest wash cycle/rinse then I simply run another rinse cycle for normal loads; use a "sanitize" cycle for towels plus add liquid bleach, never-ever let clothes sit wet for long periods in the washer, and always keep the door open when not in use.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2013 at 12:18AM
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I have the Steam Washer and Dryer from Samsung (front load) and have had it for 3 1/2 years. Buy the warranty, I have used it twice. But I LOVE them!!!! The only time my clothes smell weird is when I have forgotten about them ;(
I also run the sanitize cycle for towels...usually at night or when I am leaving because it takes two my towels after it though.

    Bookmark   September 18, 2013 at 10:42AM
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I have a 6 year old Duet Sport set that has been trouble-free and does a great job. Got both pieces for $1500 with warranty. Clothes are clean, come out of the washer very dry and take little time in the dryer. I use HE liquid, no FS and leave the door open when not in use. No smells, no problems.

    Bookmark   September 18, 2013 at 4:54PM
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have had my Miele pair for about 6 years. Never a problem. We have a farm and our clothes are the cleanest they have ever been. I don't care how long it takes to wash them as long as they are clean and they are. I use Charlie's soap. My washer has never had a bad smell or anything like that. I have the 220 v. washer that heats the water to very hot and I use the sanitize cycle pretty often.

    Bookmark   September 18, 2013 at 9:57PM
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I've been using a front loader for about 13 years (the first lasted 12, the new one is very shiny). I'd never buy a top load washer again.

The front loader gets things cleaner, uses less detergent, rinses more thoroughly, and I never had a maintenance issue with the first one in the 12 years I had it. No mildew or mold issues at all.

    Bookmark   September 19, 2013 at 3:26PM
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I'M NOT! We bought an LG fl in 2006 because it was rated number one. Mechanically it's been fine. No issues, but; It wears out clothes faster, doesn't clean as good as our old top load. The cycle length is horrendous. Our old washer took 40 minutes for the absolute longest wash, The regular wash for the LG is 1 hour 15 minutes. We had sheets that lasted for over 30 years that were regularly washed in our top load. New sheets of the exact same consistency last only 3 years before they start fraying. There are the mystery holes in cotton, scratchy towels, embedded dog hair that would come out. I don't see how clothes rubbing together in small amounts of water can be gentler than clothes agitated fully immersed in water.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2013 at 12:53AM
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Miele front loader for 14yrs. Have loved them. Never leave the door open since the unit is in a closet. Never had mold or smell issues. I do use the 190f temp settings at least twice a week for kitchen towels.

I recently purchased a used Miele from eBay. Although the washer had only been used for two months, Downy has done a job on the unit, I performed the cleaning sequence for the 4840 (I have a w3033) and all the odor was removed. I use very little fabric softener, seventh generation unscented. The washer work flawlessly and all the scent is done. I was one of the people that did not want to like the 110volt machines but it works almost as well as the 240volt machines.

I realize most people think these machines are small but they work for me and my family because we are sorters. We sort by color and type.
Good luck with your choice.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2013 at 9:06AM
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I have both a front loader washer and a front loader dryer. The dryer is old (about 15 years) and performs as flawlessly as when it was new (knock on wood). The washer is only 7 years old and it just quit. Both are Maytag. I don't know the model of the dryer but the washer is a Maytag Epic (no longer available).

I am going to buy a new washer as I understand it is not economically feasible to repair it. It was a very expensive ($1400.00) washer at the time I bought it but I believe a repair may be as much as $500.00 or more and then I still have an old washer that could give me additional problems at any time.

I was going to look for something other than a Maytag, but after reading about the great amount of people that replaced their front load washer after 3 or 5 years, I guess I was lucky (in a funny sort of way) to have it last 7 years.

I actually think the dryer lasted this long because it is an older one. When I first got it, I had an old Hotpoint top load washer that quit after 13 years.

I have to say that I loved my Maytag Epic when it was working. My husband has really dirty work clothes and I usually had to wash them twice in the Hotpoint. I was amazed at how clean they came out of the Epic with only one wash with an extra rinse. I put in his clothes with old stains and they also came out unbelieveably clean.

It looks like (since my old Maytag dryer is still working) I will be buying another Maytag and hope for the best. The new model is called a "Maxima", model #MHW8000A. But I will have to spend to get an extended warranty since they generally don't last nearly as long as they used to. I just love the results of washing with a front loader.

So it's a "mixed bag". I love how it works, but I don't love that it didn't last all that long. Good luck!

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 1:54AM
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No, No, No. I have an 8 year old GE profile and am looking to replace it. My whites come out just as dirty as they go in. It is good on the gentle cycle, I can even wash my hand knits it it. But it doesn't get my clothes clean on the regular cyclle and even though I have drastically reduced the amount of HE detergent, less than 1/4 cup, use the 2 rinse cycles, there is still soap suds in the *** thing. I need a stackable machine, so a top loader is out. So, what front loader really works? I am redoing my bathroom/laundry room combo and now is the time to buy a new front loader if there is one out there that can get real dirt (I am a gardener and get clothes really dirty) off clothes.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 12:27PM
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I have two Asko sets and love them! Before these I had an LG FL that worked fine but didn't rinse as well. There is a definate learning curve. Detergent for a FL is minimal. As for wear on garments, FL is gentler IMO. I garden, have 3 kids with dirty, sweaty sports uniforms and washed cloth diapers in a FL. I would never go back to a TL. Buy a machine that does what you need. If a heavy rinse is important, high temps, a good delicate cycle, programmability, whatever you need make sure the unit you purchase will do it.
I haven't had any odor issues but I leave the detergent drawer and washer door open between cycles and occasionally clean out the drain. Strangely I did have mildew issues with my old TL Maytag.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 5:07PM
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I have a GE FL with matching dryer that I'm happy with. It's been about two years now. It's not top of the line but just a couple down from top as I didn't want all the fancy stuff I never use and didn't want to pay extra for. I didn't get the largest capacity because the bigger they are the more prone to getting out of balance. Just me and hubby. It washes king size blankets just fine. I think it's about 3.5 or 3.6 capacity as opposed to the big 4.3 or more. What I love about both W and D is that they are so quiet. Appreciate that since our laundry room is off the kitchen which is off the great room. Yes, we live in an open floor plan that echoes all sound. The top of the line Maytag Bravos TL HE that I detested and sold was so noisy especially the dryer for some reason. So much better situation with this set. Happy camper here.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 7:29PM
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After 4 years of a brand new Miele W4840 and Dryer T9820, I'm in the market for a new washer and dryer. I won't bore you with all the details but the short story is that I don't think FLs are worth the investment and inherent problems. I don't think they wash better or are more economical. They may save water, but they take longer. I'm thinking that I will be better served with an old fashioned top load washer and no frills dryer. The electronics and technology isn't necessarily better (I think someone else posted a similar opinion). The electronics and parts are ridiculously expensive repair down the road, if not right off the bat, and I'm although I'm interested in quality products, I don't think that FL's are worth it. Once your warranty has expired, you are left with those repairs. A service call is about $175. Does anyone have opinions about standard appliances that will last like the old Sears Kenmore? I had 2 service calls in 20 years with those babies, and they still work. I gave them to my niece 4 years ago! Thanks for any advice.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2013 at 7:50PM
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diwoman 1, about the only washer/dryer that will last about that long is Speed Queens. Their TL is old school, no electronic anything, a 3 year warranty, and a LOT FASTER than a FL.
I have the AWN542 and I love it. Clothes are cleaner than with the Bosch, no out of balance, no shaking the house down on anything but gentle spin-and even that would shake at times. And they are made in USA in Rippon, Wi. Check out their web site.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 8:27AM
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Beagle, we had an "old school" TL Maytag, built before Maytag washers became junk and while it still functioned like it did when new when we replaced it 2 years ago, it didn't wash well. Washing dirty rags left them dirty after TWO complete hot cycles with lots of detergent, as well as leaving the drum and agitator black. We got a Samsung 520 FL and couldn't be happier with the results and who cares if the cycles take longer? The results are what matter! And the results are nothing short of miraculous: even the dirtiest oil rags come out clean (with minimal detergent--far, far less than when we had the Maytag) and the drum doesn't have ANY black scum in it at the end of the cycle. So bottom line is I couldn't give a rat's ass that the cycles of a FL take longer than my old TL--everything comes out super clean.

And after two years, we have ZERO issue with mold or smell. I always leave the door open and wipe puddled water out of the bottom of the boot after the last load of the day. Better to have to do that quick little "chore" on a FL, than suffer through the lousy cleaning ability of a TL. It's a no-brainer, in my book.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 10:24AM
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Dave1812, let's not get huffy or dirty. I couldn't be happier for you and your Samsung 520 FL. I, too, had zero mold and mildew after 5 years with the Bosch also no mechanical troubles. The machine was level but still the vibrations that I could feel over a good part of my house, the water that puddled in the back of the drum, the twisted and mangled clothes, and some not even getting wet all over, are the main reasons I got rid of it. Had I chosen another brand with a true Haxis, it might have been different.

Sure there are things about a fl that I do like and even miss.
However, TL or FL it's whatever one is happy with. Just because I happen to like a TL over a FL better is no reason for anyone to get bent out of shape. From the way the vast majority of people on this forum feel, if you do prefer a TL you are second class and to be snubbed, just an observation.
I'm sure the rat is happy to have his behind. :)

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 12:10PM
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beagle you are a strange bird to characterize my previous post as huffy or dirty. Nor am I "bent out of shape". Kinda touchy about your machine? heck, I'd never recommend my particular unit, due to all the SERVICE CALLS I've had, but it DOES wash very, very well.

"Second class"? LOL! You ARE touchy! Get over it. the fact is that a FL WILL clean better, all else equal. It's a matter of physics, not brands or detergent or money. Sorry you fail to understand, but don't take it personally. Chip on shoulder is not a pretty sight.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2013 at 4:30PM
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I was thinking buying a set until I ask in here as you have done. I came to the conclusion I did not want one.

By the way when I was looking I ask a sales person about the smell. He opened the washer and pulled up on the seal around the door. He said you have to wipe the seal down occasionally or the green stuff will grow and stink. I mentioned leaving the door open and he replied with, they don't have to do that if they wash the seal.

    Bookmark   September 29, 2013 at 3:19PM
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We just moved into a new home, and replaced our TL W/D with a stacked LG FL set. I have two dogs, and we show them, so there's a lot of dog laundry to go around, both keeping the dogs themselves clean, but also keeping their beds clean (so they don't dirty the dogs).

Add to that, I am picky picky picky about "dog smell" in the house.

My #1 frustration with our old top loader set was that it couldn't handle washing the dog beds. I would load in a bed, run a cycle, and then have to flip the bed over so the other side could get washed. Or, take the beds to a laundromat. No complaints on how the TL cleaned our clothes -- that was fine.

So, now we've moved and the past two days I've had the joy -- although I'm sure the novelty will wear off soon -- of washing every single item of clothing or bedding in the house. The FL set we have kicks the ass of our old TL in every single way. Dog beds fit fine. People clothes are clean. Wash cycles are much longer than with a TL (so far they've averaged about 50-55 minutes), but the dryer cycles are correspondingly shorter. Best of all, I can put my nose down into the dog bed and take a deep sniff and not smell dog. It just smells clean.

I've only owned this set for about a week, so I can't speak to long term durability, but my initial impressions are very, very good!

    Bookmark   October 4, 2013 at 7:10AM
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If your willing to change your washing habits a little bit you will love a frontloader.

If you are unwilling to change your washing habits at all you will hate a front loader.

Even though some frontloaders can have extended wash times, but because of the higher speed spin and better water extraction they spend less time in the dryer so the overall time from wash to dry is about the same as with a TL.

Just about anybody I've seen with a FL who complained about cleanability usually was doing something wrong. Many times over stuffing the washer was the culprit. Or using too much detergent.

Frontloads because they can spin at much higher speeds ( some up to 1600 rpm ) can make a subpar floor that was not designed for these higher stresses shake. Toploads have much slower spin speeds (600 rpm ave) and don't cause as much stress to a floor however I have seen plenty of toploaders shake a house.

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    Bookmark   October 10, 2013 at 6:38PM
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FWIW, I absolutely adore and love my both my Bosch Axxis FL washer and dryer (the latter is ventless which is perfect for my tiny space and apartment). A lot of people donâÂÂt realize that overtime the brushes that help with spinning and, thus cleaning, in the Bosch FL will eventually wear out and need to be replaced (theyâÂÂre like $40 last time I checked). ItâÂÂs a shame that many people think that their machine is broken for good and, sadly, end up junking it for a new washer, wasting sooo much $$$! It seems that this thinking that their FL (namely Bosch) machine is now useless is many times a result of a handymen/repairmen inspecting the âÂÂworn outâ washer and telling the owner so, which is wrong! IâÂÂm not trying to cast blame and shame on anyone but it does seem that a ton of âÂÂservicemenâ are just unfamiliar with said European type of washers/HE/FLs, hence them having been educated solely on the standard American TL/agitators that we all grew up with.

All that said *whew!* I really do love my Bosch Axxis stacked W/D - got in 2003 and theyâÂÂre each still going strong 10 years later. IâÂÂve been told numerous times by various, knowledgeable people that they should last 30 years if maintained properly (i.e. replace brushes, rubber seal, etc which is a small inconvenience compared to shelling out another $1000+ for a new set!). IâÂÂll keep my fingers crossed and knock on wood, as my luck would have it, though! It washes our clothes and linens better than anything else IâÂÂve used! Love the condensed air for the dryer - no dampness or lint everywhere; much more gentle and wrinkles far less than other dryers IâÂÂve used. For very large things like rugs, etc., I haul them over to my dear mothers who still has a Hotpoint utility-style TL from eons ago! Alas, those canâÂÂt fit into the Bosch washer. But I digress⦠:D

    Bookmark   October 16, 2013 at 6:46AM
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We bought the LG white front load washing machine, 3.6 cubic ft. model WM2020CW for $700 at The Bay (regular price $850) + We bought the DLE2020W 7.1 cubic ft. LG white electric dryer at The Bay for $500 on sale (regular price $650), and had them both for TWO YEARS of trouble-free performance. I actually felt sad that we had to leave them behind when we sold the house and moved to a condo. The new homeowners were ecstatic, b/c they had the exact same pair they had to leave behind, so it worked out well for them.

Yes, it takes an hour to do a wash, but usually the dryer only takes 20 minutes b/c the spin is so fast on the washer it pre-dries the clothes! I loved that the machines have sensors. I found that the clothes don't over-dry, therefore, they don't shrink and the colour lasts longer.

As for the mildew smells, if you leave the washer door open for a while afterwards, or you take the time to wipe dry the inside of the door, you won't have that problem. Since our laundry was in the basement, I didn't mind the door open. Naturally if you have kids and/or pets, you need to check inside before closing the door later.

In regards to holes in clothes -- are you talking about small pinholes that tend to appear on cotton tshirts around the waist line? Don't have a problem with that myself, but a lot of people have realized that if you pair a tshirt that hangs over a pair of trousers with a button close, and then stand at say a kitchen counter to do dishes or cook, that a hole tends to form where the tshirt material rubs and is caught between the button and the hard counter top...go figure!

I can't comment on short life spans. My friend has had the LG Steam pair for many years now, and other than the mildew smell noted above, and a vibration issue which can be solved with rubber stands and/or mat, her only other complaint is that she wished it did a better job on cleaning the collars of her husband's shirts. They have two rough and tumble boys, so generate a lot of laundry.

Please do post a follow up if you found something you like.

    Bookmark   October 21, 2013 at 12:44PM
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About 12 years ago, I bought the inexpensive Frigidaire FL despite hearing about 50% negative comments and 50% good comments about it. I took a chance because I absolutely HATE when clothes come out of a TL and they are twisted up and a wrinkled mess. I was assured by many that the FL would not TWIST them up and would clean them properly.

I must say -- I used that machine for 5 or 6 years without EVER a problem. It was not an expensive machine, I had no mildew issue, (never left the door open), it never skipped a beat! I was SOOO happy that I didn't pay attention to the negative feedback. I had even bought an extended warranty in case I ran into issues. Never used the warranty.

I since moved out of that house and had to leave that washer behind and am currently using an older GE TL. For the past few weeks, the TL has started to leak water and sounding like it needs a bearing. I am looking to buy another Frigidaire (as basic a model as they have) and feel pretty confident that I will be just as happy. I hope.

    Bookmark   October 26, 2013 at 7:00PM
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I am happy and completely satisfied with my Maytag Neptunes purchased in May 1999. These were the second models of the neptunes that Maytag came out with. Have used front loaders all my life, starting with a 1950s Westinghouse. If you're switching from a top loader to a front loader, there is a bit of a learning to do. Most of it is common sense: less water means use less detergent/bleach/softner; don't pack the machine; As far as mold/mildew go.....think what causes this: damp/airtight space: leave door open, wipe out boot so the interior of the machine & boot stay dry. I have had my Neptunes since 1999 (14 1/2 years) and no problems whatsoever. I realize a lot of Neptune owners had a lot of problems, there was even a class action suit against Maytag. Fortunately, my machines have no problems.

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I have had my Whirlpool manufactured (Kenmore branded) FL washer and matching dryer for over 10 years. The performance of the washer has continued to be outstanding. Clothing is less wrinkled, looks newer longer, and even heavily soiled or stained items come out completely clean.

I am also happy with the savings and convenience of using a FL washer. It uses less detergent, softener, and bleach. I also use less water and energy, not only in the washer, but also when drying, since items come out of the washer so much dryer they spend less time in the dryer.

I no longer have to buy pretreater, as I can just hit the stain treat button and the cycle is modified to remove stains using my regular detergent. I still have the same bottle of shout pretreater I had when I bought the washer over 10 years ago.

If I had to replace my washer, I would get an American made Whirlpool or Maytag (manufactured and owned by Whirlpool) FL washer. I do think it is a shame that the majority of Kenmore FL washers are now made in Korea by LG.

    Bookmark   November 6, 2013 at 2:43PM
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We have had a set of compact Bosch W/D for 12 years, nary a problem, not a bit of mold (despite living in a damp place.) Always leave the door open between loads. Love them entirely. Even though the washer is teeny, you can get a lot in there, as much as our previous top-loader. Clothes come out much cleaner than with a top-loader. Sadly the washer may need replacement soon, though the dryer is fine, and I just don't know what to get. They no longer make this model. Sigh.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2013 at 6:02PM
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I have a front load washer and l LIKE IT for many of the reasons noted above:
-deals with full and queen size linens
-saves some money for water/sewer and natural gas
-does a decent job on lightly to medium soiled clothes, the ones I make
-works OK with HE soap or just a smidge of top load soap
-rinses well on extra rinse (3 total rinses); probably OK with default 2 rinses
-spins at 300G so dry time is quick
-fast cycle time, mine has an approx 45 minute cycle apparently matched to the average dry time of the mating dryer, not an hour and a half!
-reasonably quiet, I'm sure quieter stuff is out there, but I have a laundry room door I can shut if I need silence
-stays in place on my first floor laundry on a vinyl floor
-very basic controls that my 13 yr old son can understand; requires only to press start if not changing the cycle from the last one

The only thing I don't like:
-not a big fan of stooping to get stuff in and out in my 50's
-miss not being able to throw the forgotten sock in after starting the cycle.

That said, with a bunch of boys in the house, laundry never ends anyhow, anything missed just goes in the next load.

Both FLW and TLW can do laundry, it's just a personal preference and an incremental investment analysis for the utility savings vs higher acquisition cost of the FLW vs the TLW.

    Bookmark   November 30, 2013 at 9:21PM
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I don't understand this stuff about not being able to add something after the cycle starts. I can pause my washer and add something--I do it all the time. I think there's a point where you can't anymore, but I honestly have never tried that far in. :-)

I do like my front loader, and I'm not sorry I bought it. I bought pedestals because I'm getting older and I didn't want to stoop--and I'm glad I did, because I like the extra storage that they provide.

I agree that it's just personal preference, and I am confused as to why people always have to insist that everyone agrees with their choice, as if they need validation. I'm glad you like your washer. I'm glad I like mine. Can't we just leave it at that? I'm sure there will be another thread along shortly.


    Bookmark   November 30, 2013 at 10:10PM
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Love ours. Clothes go in, cycle selected and they come out later clean. No issues with failures, suds lock, etc. If there are stains, hit the stain cycle and a profile wash is done.

Then again we actually read the manual, use HE detergent, and don't try to use old school thinking on a new machine. I'll take the "Bells and whistles" all day and twice on Sunday, thanks.

Leave the door open when done for the day for it to dry and maybe run the clean cycle when I remember.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 10:47PM
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Here are my comments comparing the two machine types. By top loaders, I mean the conventional, agitator type machines.

-Both front loaders and top loaders are capable of obliterating clothing under the right circumstances. In a top loader the damage is from the rather fast agitator action. In a front loader the clothing can get abused pretty badly if the drum diameter is rather large for the amount of clothing being washed, and the drum rotation speed is such that it causes the wet (and heavy) clothing to fall from near the top of the drum to the bottom, with nothing in between to break or slow the fall.

- Most front loaders do give you agitation/wash options that can be way much gentler than what is offered in top loaders, while still allowing for a good deal of wash water to flow through the clothing.

- Top loaders have the edge when it comes to soaking large amounts of clothing for extended periods of time. No need to fiddle with multiple menu levels. Just open the lid and the machine is now in soak mode until further notice. Also, with a top loader, it is more likely that the water level will be high enough to adequately wet the clothing during the soak period.

- For water extraction during the spin cycle, the front loaders have the edge. This means less time drying the load after the washer is done.

- For washing bulky stuff that floats, like pillows and lightweight winter coats, the front loaders have the advantage. No need to manually dunk and re-dunk the item in the wash water, which can be a nuisance if the tap water during the rinse cycle is rather cold.

- For maximum wash performance I was very impressed with how well my sister's front loader washed my winter coat. With my top loader the coat always has a residual "used tent" smell when I'm done washing and drying it. Granted, with my sister's front loader I used all of the possible settings that I could throw at it (extra water level, maximum soil/extended wash time, plus an extra rinse/spin cycle), but the coat came out with no lingering smells at all. None.

- For energy and water efficiency, the advantage goes to the front loaders. Water requires tons of energy to get it hot, and the more water you have, to more heat you need. Considering that both water and electricity cost money, I'm not surprised that many commercial coin laundromats use only front loading washers despite their initial higher purchase cost.

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 2:49PM
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zoapbox, agree with pretty much all you wrote but I have a question. You wrote," In a front loader the clothing can get abused pretty badly if the drum diameter is rather large for the amount of clothing being washed, and the drum rotation speed is such that it causes the wet (and heavy) clothing to fall from near the top of the drum to the bottom, with nothing in between to break or slow the fall. "

What fabric fit for human apparel is likely to be damaged by falling a foot and a half? I've not seen my wife's sheerest fabrics be damaged by our FL over the last few years. I've seen even durable clothes ruined by our old TL.

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 5:18PM
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also, the paddles of the FL drum, hitting fabrics, even during a "gentle" cycle, is likely to be an order of magnitude more of an issue for fabric wear, than fabric dropping from the top of the drum. About the only time I see anything fall from the top is at the end of a spin cycle or when the drum cycles back and forth to even out the load, before it begins spinning up to speed.

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 6:06PM
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WHOA - Clothes damaged due to a larger drum diameter - absolutely not true!

Folks, the clothes in a washer fall into one of the following:
-puddle of water
-clothes on top of a puddle of water
- remote possibility, hit the drum wall, less likely if you really loaded it

All washers turn at about .80 to .90G to facilitate the lifting and tumbling during normal wash action, slower in half wash speeds.

More likely to damage articles is washing and drying with rigid objects like shoes in the load, and in the case of the dryer, the clothes potentially could impact a metallic object (the drum wrapper or the plastic lifter) or get hit by a flying shoe while at high temperature, without the benefit of water to dampen the blow.

But the real culprit to fabric wear is in fact wash temperature. All of you folks who love those super hot washes, that is in fact the most damaging element of all in the wash cycle as the fibers are degraded by heat primarily and swell the most to absorb the most water with increasing temperatures. Want your clothes to last the longest? Wash warm, and save energy while doing it. Modern soap is tailored to be effective in warm washing.

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 8:43PM
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@dave1812: That was my experience using Maytag commercial front loaders when my home TL broke down. Several clothing items were quickly showing visible signs of accelerated wear like falling labels on underwear, and tears on t-shirts. The damage rate was way much faster than I normally get from a conventional top loader.

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 8:55PM
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I own both types of machines. We kept and rebuilt our old German made Duet front loader for washing larger throw rugs and large quilts. That is all I currently use my front loader for.

My main go to washing machine is a basic, no frills, Speed Queen top load set. It is hands down the best washing machine I have ever owned. My clothes do not come out in a wad, they are spotless, well rinsed, no odors, and no issues with electronics because it does not have a computer board. It does what it is supposed to do...wash clothes. I am also able to soak a load overnight in plenty of water if I want to, drain it, and do a wash cycle the next morning. I can choose really hot water if I want it.

Using hot water on my towels, and sometimes on my jeans, has not made them wear any faster than using cooler temperatures. What hot water does is kill germs better, and removes heavy garden soil from garden clothing.

Using a top load has caused no more wear to my laundry than a front load. In any machine, the clothing needs to move freely and not be packed in tightly to avoid wear and damage to the fabrics.

My cycle times are short with my Speed Queen as compared to a front loader. It matters to me if a cycle is ridiculously long. I want clean laundry, at temperatures I want to select, and have complete control over water levels. I want to get the load done and move on to other things. Computer boards are becoming more and more unreliable so I did not want a machine with a computer board again.

Ditto with a dishwasher. We removed a fairly new and expensive dishwasher and it's been replaced with an old Hobart built KitchenAid. I love it. Absolutely clean dishes....very quickly. Newer isn't always better, and older can be spiffed up with repainting and new racks. I'm having my dishwasher panels painted to match my ruby red BlueStar range.

If I ever need another washing machine and Speed Queen messes up their design, I'll look for an older washer and refurbish it.

    Bookmark   December 12, 2013 at 1:52PM
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@laundryvet: If mechanical action has no effect whatsoever on the wear and tear of clothing, why do front loader machines typically offer a gentler drum motion in the delicates cycle?

And no, I did not wash shoes with my clothing when I have used front loaders. In any event, the drum and the paddles in front loaders are far more rigid and unyielding than shoes are.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2013 at 7:10AM
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Sandy, is your TV a CRT?

    Bookmark   December 13, 2013 at 2:31PM
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At a common G force, drum diameter does not matter. The claim above was that drum diameter affected clothes wear. All target the same G force more or less in normal cycle. I agree delicate, half speed, is less wear and tear. I never stated as much.

That said,
-temperature is #1
-mechanical action #2p

A top loader is harshest on clothes mechanically. Strongest mechanical action, best cleaning action per minute if not overloaded.

So if you ran a top loader at 160F-190F and normal agitation speed this will absolutely destroy the clothing over the long haul, assuming it did not destroy the machine itself. Of course without a lid lock you will have exposed yourself to a dandy of a scold hazard (anything over 135F in water). I would never advise such a situation.

Somebody posted a Miele washer normal cycle is 160F, yikes!

Having seen and run many very high temperatures loads during my time in the industry, without a doubt temperature is the harshest on clothes at the fiber level, with mechanical action a close 2nd. Temperature literally pulverized linens, turning them to dust over several significant cycles. Some synthetics might be able to take it, almost none survive long above 165F, which interestingly is what many state laws require the bath temp to be to kill some of the "bugs" in the linen. Hence the popularity of ozone technology, performed at much lower temperatures, with the benefits being smell and linen life. Google it, it's all out there. Ozone, recall, has the best solubility at colder temperatures.

Just saying it like it is from a commercial laundry vet.........

    Bookmark   December 13, 2013 at 6:58PM
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I wash my sheets weekly in 140 degree water, occasionally 195. Two of those sets are over 5 years old. I wash my kitchen towels at 195 every single time. I have dishtowels older than 5 years. I cannot agree that temperature is a totally true answer to degrading clothing. Bleach degrades clothing more than any detergent, washing method, or temperature. So do clothes dryers. All that friction, heat, and and air movement, combined, slowly destroy fibers more than most any washer could. Wet fabric becomes more fragile when it is wet, making it more susceptible to wear. As some of you may know, there are 5 factors to proper laundering. Each one of those contributes to wear and tear. I find it unfair to name only one cause, when really it is all factors combined that cause wear, and each individual laundry situation is different.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2013 at 9:46PM
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@laundryvet: I'm not talking about the centrifugal G forces during the spin cycle. What I'm referring to is the distance that the laundry can fall from about the top of the drum to the bottom when the drum is lightly loaded during the wash motion. For this distance, the drum diameter does matter as the longer the vertical fall is, the faster the clothing will be traveling when it hits the bottom.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2013 at 12:59AM
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At first I could not see your argument, but now I can. A machine of a given diameter with a fully variable speed system, you could make the case that running a larger drum at a slightly less than normal speed would equate to your statement above, a cycle slowly beginning to approach a delicate cycle.

For very small changes in drum diameter as those present in the home market it probably does not amount to much. I think the key is a very partially loaded machine you describe.

I would tend to agree with Miele1966 that it is most likely a combination of factors, heat, chemicals, mechanical action, and what else is in the load first, but I know from comparing life test loads in electric heat machines vs non electric heat machines over thousands of cycles that the fabrics deteriorate at a much faster pace in the electric heat machines, all other factors identical.

    Bookmark   December 15, 2013 at 9:34PM
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Zoapbox: "What I'm referring to is the distance that the laundry can fall from about the top of the drum to the bottom when the drum is lightly loaded during the wash motion. For this distance, the drum diameter does matter as the longer the vertical fall is, the faster the clothing will be traveling when it hits the bottom."

The standard rate of acceleration of an object falling through a vacuum at sea level is 9.80665 m/s^2. Most of the pieces of clothing in a front-loading washing machine droop over and fall into the water on the upward roll of the drum; that is, they do not fall from the top of the drum, and they do not fall as a piece. And the tail of a larger piece of laundry need not fall at all, as it gets pulled back into the water below by the leading edge of the piece of laundry falling down. And, of course, the environment inside the washing machine drum is not a vacuum, and wet laundry would have considerable wind resistance slowing its fall.

So the computations of velocity on impact would be extremely complex. But assume that every square centimeter of every piece of laundry fell all of the way from the very top of the inside of the drum all the way to the water surface somewhere below the midpoint of the drum, but well above the bottom of the cylinder. And assume that a vacuum obtained to decrease air friction. Could you please provide a calculation of the difference in velocity between a piece of laundry in a very large consumer washing machine drum and a piece of laundry in a very small consumer washing machine drum, when the respective pieces of laundry hit the water below?

This post was edited by herring_maven on Mon, Dec 16, 13 at 20:29

    Bookmark   December 16, 2013 at 8:20PM
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@herring_maven: Better yet, find an accelerometer app that you can download to an Android phone. Put the phone in a waterproof bag and toss it in with the laundry. That way you can get real life impact force data that you can use to make an even better mathematical model than just a straight distance vs. speed gravity calculation.

    Bookmark   December 17, 2013 at 10:04PM
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Better yet, you two find something practical to occupy your lives with! No one cares about accelerometers in an appliance forum. This isn't rocket science. And your idea that fabrics are destroyed over time if they fall from "the top" of a home FL is ludicrous.
Stop with this childish farce and get back on topic. HINT: look at the title of the thread to determine what the topic is.

    Bookmark   December 18, 2013 at 11:52AM
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Hi Dave1812:

"HINT: look at the title of the thread to determine what the topic is."

That is exactly what I did when I answered the OP's question in my 12/8/13 post when I provided a summary of some of my experiences with both top loaders and front loaders.

"And your idea that fabrics are destroyed over time if they fall from "the top" of a home FL is ludicrous."

I already provided an answer to that question in my 12/13/13 post. I will add that YouTube has an abundance of videos of front loading washing machines in action. Plenty of examples to compare the rigors of normal/cotton wash cycles vs. delicate cycles.

I'm not the first person who has observed accelerated wear on clothing that has been washed in some front loaders. People still need to do their homework when considering specific machines and wash cycle settings.

"No one cares about accelerometers in an appliance forum."

Herring_Maven wanted to expand the subtopic further by initiating discussion on calculations of the impact speeds of falling laundry for different fall heights. You can take it up with him if this annoyed you.

If anybody else is still curious, it should not be that difficult to measure the impact forces involved. Consumer grade smartphones usually already have a built-in accelerometer, which is used to determine if you are holding the phone vertically or horizontally by sensing the direction of the pull of gravity. So all you basically need is to download an acceleration analysis APP (software) and the phone can be used to measure impact forces. No need extra hardware is need.

    Bookmark   December 18, 2013 at 8:41PM
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dave1812: ". . . idea that fabrics are destroyed over time if they fall from 'the top' of a home FL is ludicrous."

Erm, that was kind of the whole point of another post two posts up from yours.

"Herring_Maven wanted to expand the subtopic further . . ."

One suggests that your understanding may be advanced if first you follow the link below.

Here is a link that might be useful: This link may help

    Bookmark   December 18, 2013 at 11:50PM
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I don't need to go to Youtube to see how fabrics move in a FL. I OWN a FL. give it a rest, you two.

    Bookmark   December 19, 2013 at 11:14AM
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Herring_maven I had to LOL when I read your link. I took that post of yours hook, line, and sinker!

    Bookmark   December 19, 2013 at 1:45PM
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enduring: "I had to LOL when I read your link."

Thank you.

"I took that post of yours hook, line, and sinker!"

[blush]. Being taken at face value always has been the risk when employing irony in dialogue. But my ironic post seemed to encounter a bigger issue with another contributor here, who appeared to think that a link to a Wikipedia article about an English satirist was link to a YouTube video of a washing machine. (Maybe he was engaging in irony as well?)

This post was edited by herring_maven on Fri, Dec 20, 13 at 8:38

    Bookmark   December 19, 2013 at 11:10PM
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Interesting comment from a Miele web site related to load size vs. fabric wear during the wash process (for FL machines):

"When small loads of towelling items are washed, a great deal of fluff is created. For this reason, it is better to wash towelling in the largest load possible."

Here is a link that might be useful: Fabric care - Towelling

    Bookmark   December 20, 2013 at 9:36PM
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zoapbox, the link you provided first condemns fluff and then extols it further on down the text. LOL!

    Bookmark   December 21, 2013 at 7:31PM
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dave1812: The noun "fluff" in the first paragraph refers to what we call "lint" in American English. You can confirm this by doing a Google search for "tumble dryer fluff filter".

The paragraph that I pointed to basically says that towels washed in small loads in a Miele residential FL will take more of a beating than those washed in larger loads. It confirms that the accelerated wear process that I observed on lightly loaded FL commercial laundromat machines using aggressive wash cycles does scale down to compact residential washers to a certain extent.

    Bookmark   December 22, 2013 at 9:39PM
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I was somewhat happy with our Whirlpool Duet...up until the point one of the bearings took a dump and it now sounds like a high revving engine with terminal rod knock when it spins. I tolerated the occasional funky smell, even tho we left the tray and the door open and I cleaned out the trap (which Whirlpool, in their infinite wisdom, made exceedingly difficult to access).

We are headed to the local appliance store tomorrow to likely buy a Speed Queen AWN542. Hopefully I'll get more than 5 years out of it.

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 3:43PM
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I reckon I could have been scared to death to buy my second Maytag Neptune sloped front set, this set had the touchscreen setup and very pretty but class action suit says its a nightmare. But I couldn't resist the 600.00 clearance price NIB last one from my local sears store.

Going on 9 years without a failure or a hint of mold since I had learned with my first Neptunes that 99 percent of the failures on models made after 2001 were user abuse. I learned how to use a front loader and proper dosage of detergent and use of one hot wash a week.

Ive seen many folks sing the praises of many replacements to their Neptunes only to see them wailing about those machines within a few years. I think Maytag had actually fixed all their bugs but unfortunately all those who ramped up the whining without cause resulted in the class action suit as well as Maytag making poor substitute replacements like the Samsung Neptunes and the top load Neptunes which were all disasters. Now Maytag as they were is dead.

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 4:55PM
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After having one(Kenmore) for a few years I will never do it again. It wears out the front of all my pants so my clothing bill has gone way up. It also has horrible mold issues in the door gasket. Yes we leave the door of it open and run cleaning cycles with bleach but it does not help. If you take a close look at the door gasket with a flashlight you will see that it is impossible to clean it effectively. Way too many groves and crevices. There was even a class action lawsuit filed against the major manufacturers and Sears for the mold issue.

    Bookmark   August 9, 2014 at 11:08AM
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How do you explain all the people that have used front loaders for years without mold issues then?

Washer cleaning cycles are a morning after pill for people with bad laundry habits. You shouldn't have to use them on a regular basis.

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I would bet that the design of the door boot gasket, the door, and the tub varies by manufacturer and by model. Some of them obviously seem to work ok. Others don't seem to. We use the proper detergent, leave the door open, etc. The environment that the washer is in might have some impact also.

    Bookmark   August 9, 2014 at 4:20PM
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Okay, but that doesn't explain that there are both rave reviews and complaints of the same model. And the fact that I have seen spiders from identical models, one completely corroded and one that looked brand new. It also doesn't explain that some people have owned multiple front loaders with no problems, and others have issues with every one they try. All signs point to user error.

Do you use fabric softener? How much detergent do you use? Too little is as bad as too much. What temperature wash water do you use? How often do you use liquid chlorine bleach? How long do you wait to remove clothes upon cycle completion? Do you remove the detergent drawer afterwards and let it dry? There is a lot more you have to pay attention to than just leaving the door open and wiping the boot.

The fault is also with the machine manufacturers and detergent manufacturers for failing to emphasize and explain proper HE laundry habits in their documentation. In my opinion they have done a terrible job minimizing user error.

Anyhow, this thread was completely hijacked a long time ago. The original poster wanted to hear from people who were HAPPY with their front loaders. They had already read plenty of complaints and did not want to read more. They just wanted to confirm that there were people who liked theirs. Although they did get some relevant responses they also got plenty of people with bad experiences who just had to get their word in.

This post was edited by hvtech42 on Sat, Aug 9, 14 at 21:43

    Bookmark   August 9, 2014 at 5:42PM
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Well, just for the record, I'm still happy with my Electrolux 70 series front loader set. It still outcleans my old top loader Maytag and I'm still in love with the capacity. I run approximately two hot washes a week (whites and kitchen towels) and I use a fraction of the detergent that the label suggests. Fortunately, Electrolux has suggested detergent levels marked on the dispenser cup, about 1/3 of what the detergent bottle/box recommends. I've found that it's enough to do the job without excess sudsing. I still run an occasional bleach cycle, mostly in the hot and humid summer months, not because the machine smells, but because I've read so many complaints about mold that I'm not taking any chances. Bleach is pretty cheap insurance.

I agree about detergent manufacturers and most machine manufacturers not doing enough to prevent user error. If I used the amount suggested by the detergent manufacturer, I have no doubt that I'd not be as happy with my machine.

    Bookmark   August 10, 2014 at 2:35AM
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Manufacturers obviously lost all motivation to properly instruct users on use and care to increase durability and performance when they all bailed out on long warranty periods. Most all of them only allow one year on parts and labor these days. So many of the name brands have the same parent company. I guess they figure the odds of reselling to the same customer is pretty high over shorter periods of time.

Ages ago there was a time when Maytag for example would offer up to 10 year warranty on some components of their machines and could count on a LONG time between customer purchases. They also knew word of mouth would sell a lot more machines to first time buyers.
Too bad this ethic is lost in todays industry.

    Bookmark   August 10, 2014 at 12:29PM
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Hello I'm glad I stumbled into this thread. I'm a new owner of a ge front load washer. I was worried about the time that it took to wash a load. I figured that it was quite long but from the comments I see that the lengthy time is normal. I guess I have to get used to my new washer

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I have an asko set for about 20 years and have been happy with it. Would I get another Asko? Probably not only because there is only one service company for 30 miles that will service Asko. I would look into Bosch FL for my next set...I am confined with 24" width and I want a heater. Never have to use bleach...use my 220 degree setting with Oxyclean. I always use the short cycle, which is about 30 minutes for everyday clothes, while sheets and towels I use extended washing cycles. I have not noticed any wear and tear on my clothes.

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