need to update country looking kitchen part two.

tinker1121January 11, 2014

I had no idea there was a 150 message limit so here we go with PART TWO.
I was afraid I was boring people or my indecisiveness was becoming annoying and glad to read all of this may be helping others.

This is my story and I am sticking to it.
-I am not painting the harvest oak cabinets or the harvet oak wainscoat.
-I am keeping my cream with tan and blue flecked formica counters,harvest oak wood edge and navy porcelain sink. (may do the backsplash at a later date).
-I am taking down the wall paper and painting the wall area and soffits and decided on IVOIRE.
-I am replacing my vinyl floor with new vinyl floor.
-Need a new light.
-Bird wall hanging still a maybe but search for artwork.

So what I really really need, is help with the floor pattern. Lots of advise that my wood has too much movement. Thoughts, agree disagree?

Today I thought I found the floor, have sample of it (a slate look with shades of cream/slate/rust) but not sure about the "movement" of it as posts are suggesting I limit the movement because of the oak wood grain. I will post pics later. I have trouble understanding why formica with movement is ok but not floor?

So any pics and photoshopping of vinyl flooring appreciated. That will be my main expense and I want to get it right.

Thanks again and hope to keep this fun party going!

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ineffablespace

I think because both a countertop material and flooring materials with a lot of movement were discussed, that people were concerned about all the elements being pretty strong.

Since the walls will now be plain and the countertop reads as a solid color, I think the floor could have some movement to it. The future backsplash would have to take this into an account

I would post a picture of a current door, the countertop, the Ivoire color as givens and then go from there. (I think the presence of the wallpaper, which is being removed, is still distracting people from the direction you are actually headed).

    Bookmark   January 11, 2014 at 5:07PM
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tinker1121

How do you like this light for over the table?

    Bookmark   January 11, 2014 at 7:10PM
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julieboulangerie

My advice: take down the wallpaper, paint, and then decide on a floor. I think your current WP might be distracting in making a decision. (Just realized I am giving you the same advice as ineffablespace just did!)

I like the light fixture. But: does it give off enough light for your space? Some of your previous photos seemed kinda dark. Does it fit in with your other decor, current, or planned?

    Bookmark   January 11, 2014 at 8:27PM
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may_flowers

Filament light bulbs. Low light & high price.

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ineffablespace

In general I would make the big, permanent choices first, and things like lighting last. How much light you need will be related to how light the walls end up and how dark the floor is to some extent and things like that.

My lighting instructor called fixtures like the one you posted "Motivational Lighting" that is something that will *maybe* give off enough light to eat with romantic lighting, but it will not be nearly enough for general lighting. These types of fixtures are used for design interest and what they call "sparkle lighting" as well, and give the appearance that they light the room, but it is really recessed cans or something that is doing the work of lighting.

Look at the picture, you can see the filaments lit but it's a shot taken in broad daylight. That's because the fixture doesn't give off enough light to take a picture without a flash and all you would see is a dark room and the glow of the fixture. It's pretty, but it's ornamental lighting at best.

    Bookmark   January 11, 2014 at 9:46PM
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mudhouse_gw

Tinker, I used my board from the âÂÂGolden Oakâ thread and swapped out some materials to see if it helps you visualize your direction. I donâÂÂt know what your flooring sample looks like; I just chose one from the Lowes website that I thought might work with your Ivoire paint color.

I took the liberty of adding a backsplash idea, also from Lowes. (I donâÂÂt know why you couldnâÂÂt tile over the smooth formica backsplash area, in time, if you wanted to; we tiled an entire formica countertop, back in the 80âÂÂs, including a low backsplash.) The backsplash tiles shown here might look OK on a monitor, but might not work at all with the speckles in your countertop, which I canâÂÂt really see well without standing in your kitchen. This is just an idea of a direction, not intended as a list of definite materials.

Flooring: 13-3/16-ft W Condor 533 Stone Low-Gloss Finish Sheet Vinyl
Backsplash: American Olean 12-in x 12-in Delfino Cornsilk Glass Mosaic Wall Tile

Here is how these materials worked when I reworked the green/copper/golden oak idea board I used in that past Design Around This thread.

ThereâÂÂs a chance that your real cabinets are not quite the same color as the oak door I used in these boards, so just use this as a rough guide.

I think your appliances are black (judging from the dishwasher in your photo?) so I left the black appliances in place. As you can see, IâÂÂm siding with those who suggest painting the chairs (or buying new ones, if DH would rather pay for chairs, than a can of paint!) I think the black chairs help to pull the appliances into the color scheme (instead of just ignoring it.)

One thing about this direction is it doesnâÂÂt acknowledge your blue sink. If you have decided against blue flooring or walls, I think you could still tie in the sink by using blue draperies, rug, dishware, dishtowels, tablecloths, etc.

Not sure if this is very helpful. I do these little arrangements in Olioboard.com, and I havenâÂÂt used it for a long time (so wanted to see if I still remembered how it worked, anyway!)

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tinker1121

Thank you so much mudhouse!! It helps to see it all together and as ineffable posted, helps see the direction I am heading. Anyone have suggestions now when seeing some ideas (paint color, accessories etc) all together ? (cabinet color pretty close but a little more brown in mine. The flooring store had a basket of cabinet doors and brought back the memory mine were called " Harvest Oak" ).
Seeing the light in your grouping confirms it really has to go as others suggested before. Too curly and country. I added a pic of a light previously suggested by mayflower and do like it.
I like the floor a lot in your picture and will check it out at Lowes. I actually brought home a similar slate design sample of Congoleum Airstep Plus-Western Slate pattern- in the color "Sundance." I like it a lot and will post a pic but the Congoleum site does not allow me to save as jpg photos.
Best part of the floor I found is it fits the requirement to be a quality vinyl and from their Best category and this particular store stocks rolls of 5 or 6 Congoleum patterns and colors of the better flooring at a reduced price point and would save a couple of hundred dollars.
My new idea in regard to a kitchen set is maybe try to sell the existing on craigs list and just buy a new set. THAT would sit with DH better than a can of paint. (rolling eyes)

Is the program you use available online?

Any opinions on the ivoire paint color and more lighting pictures appreciated. Not sure having the paint color as light as the counters is a good idea?

This post was edited by tinker1121 on Sun, Jan 12, 14 at 6:05

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 5:31AM
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tinker1121

Pic of my present oak kitchen set. Memba these?

I love the table as is made very nicely with a rotating mechanism to add a large leaf to seat 8 which I do on holidays as no dining room is this small house. A bit crammed but it works the few times a year we do it. (first project 35 years ago was taking down the wall and combining the small dining and living rooms into one space and never regretted it).

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 5:37AM
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tinker1121

Please find the link to Congoleum designing page and if you page down I think each of those room settings should show the Western Slate-Sundance vinyl in each room setting, which is the sample I have.
My kitchen only has one window so it appears a bit darker in the room.
See the one kitchen setting which is last one in top row of pics and has a similar cabinet color as mine.

Here is a link that might be useful: Congoleum Western Slate color Sundance

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 5:48AM
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mdln

Completely respect yours & DH's desire to not paint wood; personally, I think painting wood is almost a sin.

However...... have you considered white-washing the wainscoting?

White-washing, with stain, allows grain to show and tones down yellow look of pine.

BTW - love the light fixture you posted @ 19:10

Here is a link that might be useful: white-washing & pickling techniques

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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

Really like the three glass shades! It looks like it's coming together.

Is there any chance that bird hanging comes in a smaller size? Ask at the place where you bought it. And look on it to see if there's any information at all that you could do a search on line.

Wait with the table and chairs until the end. They might not look so country after the other changes. My first choice for buying furniture is always the antique store or the second hand store. They just don't make it like they used to. Young green fast growing trees don't make quality lumber.

This post was edited by lov_mkitchen on Sun, Jan 12, 14 at 8:21

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 7:45AM
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tinker1121

The bird hanging only comes in the 60 x 30 size and it is a tad large for wall but won't give up on it until the walls are painted. I just love the coloring with a tad of metallic some dark blue and just the overall design and uniqueness of it with the leaves and birds.

Thanks for the whitewashing idea but that is not an option.

I love my table and different chairs could make a huge difference I think. Agree it should wait until the end.

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may_flowers

If the wall hanging looked bright and cheerful as it does on mudhouse's Olioboard, you'd have a good starting point, but unfortunately it doesn't in your room. Does it brighten up any when you bring it into another room? I know you're going to upgrade your lighting.

I like the Western Slate in Vanilla Cream better because it's a cool color. I think the best way to update oak is to go cool, not with the pinky-oranges in the Sundance. I don't see any relationship between the cream counter and Ivorie paint and the Sundance.

Cream paint like Ivorie reflects the outside light and reads yellow. I have SW Antique White walls, which has no yellow in the formula, but on a bright or sunny day, it's yellow. I have some photographs framed in light gray and they look really nice against the creamy yellow. So try the Vanilla Cream or similar. I think you'll still like the floor 10 years from now where you might get tired of the pinky-orange. It's like the sink--it locks you into a strong color.

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junco East Georgia zone 8a

As others have suggested--get rid of the wallpaper! It is interfering with your other selections. The view on the Congoleum site is nice but it plays up the oak and black. I think it would be better with a floor with more gray in it to enhance your navy blue. For the same reason, although black chairs would look great with the oak, they would not help your sink. I'm afraid the ivory paint color would also not enhance the navy. Maybe a very pale blue would work--but it has to be a shade of the navy--can't be a more greenish hue. After the wallpaper is gone you can put up some large paint samples to help you.
Good luck!

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 9:53AM
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mudhouse_gw

Okay, so here is the room with Ivoire paint, and with the Congoleum Sundance color vinyl floor. I added a light fixture from Lowes with less curly lines. (Sorry I got sloppy and cut off the bottom of your oak cabinet.)

And, here is the room with the Sherwin Williams Antique White paint, and the Congoleum Vanilla Cream color vinyl floor, both suggested by mayflowers.

Personally, I much prefer the second scheme, because itâÂÂs cooler and less yellow. To me, it looks more updated (more of a departure, from the previous warm tones in your room.) I also agree with mayflowers that the cooler tones of the floor are a nice contrast for the warmth of the oak cabinets. The cool grays of the floor also play nicely with the blue sink.

For me...I would not choose a floor with a lot of warm brown tones, because I think it encourages the color of the oak cabinets to be even more dominant.

ThatâÂÂs the thing about golden oak, it wants to dominate the color scheme. ThatâÂÂs fine if itâÂÂs the direction you want, just donâÂÂt let the oak bully you into thinking all of your choices need to be yellow or warm-toned to coordinate with it. You can also choose things that contrast with the warmth (just like the blue floors and paint, in the first thread.)

I will add some information about working with Olioboard in just a bit, itâÂÂs a great tool!

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 6:21PM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

How about the Sherwin Williams Antique White paint and the Congoleum Sundance? The Ivoire is a lot more gold than I thought it would be.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 6:50PM
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tinker1121

Thank you so much!!!
It helps so much to have a visual!
Does everyone like the Ivoire paint choice and I do like the lighter floor much better.
On the Part One thread someone suggested the floor be dark.
I picked up another great sample today of Armstrong Duality in the Empire Slate design in a color called Woodstock White.

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may_flowers

I would go a few shades darker than the counter. Sundance is a lot darker. I agree with mudhouse to avoid brown. Let the oak carry all the brown tones.

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may_flowers

About SW Antique White. I tried about every creamy paint before I went into the lightest creams on the paint strips. The light painted the creams yellow, and not just on sunny days. Think winter in the Pacific Northwest! So any paint that looks even a tad yellow could give you the traditional yellow kitchen. It's a hard color to work with.

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junco East Georgia zone 8a

I like the Antique White, and I would still try a pale blue from the navy spectrum. I searched for "navy" on the SW site and Naval #6244 came up. Any of the shades below that #6233--#6238 are pretty. Black chairs might look good against the lightest blue.

Follow the suggestions and pick a floor a few shades darker than the counter , with less yellow tones in it.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 7:57PM
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mudhouse_gw

Ok, one more. The paint is Sherwin Williams Icicle 6238, as suggested by junco in the post above. I had to remove the warm tone backsplash, so I just put a neutral tone in that area, trying not to distract from the floor/wall decision.

The floor on the left half (under the blue rug) is the Armstrong Duality Woodstock White. The floor on the right half is still the Congoleum Vanilla Cream. On the monitor, I think the Vanilla Cream works better, but you'd really have to see the real samples in person to know.

I still like the Antique White walls too, but I do think (as discussed in the last thread too) that blue can be very pretty with golden oak. And, I also like pale blue with black.

I don't think we have talked much about how any of these choices would go with the rest of your house. If your kitchen is open to other rooms, some of these choices might not work with existing colors in adjacent rooms...?

IâÂÂd pull down the wallpaper, and go buy a bunch of paint samples...and start trying things. The only real answer is how it looks in your real room, with your light, of course. Computer stuff like this is fun, but not perfect at predicting what youâÂÂll really end up liking, in the real world.

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junco East Georgia zone 8a

Great job, Mudhouse!

Now on to the walllpaper removal!

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mudhouse_gw

tinker1121, you asked about Olioboard. It's not a software program, it's a website that you register to use. It's free. After you log in, you can create your own boards using images on the site, or images you grab off the web. Like any tool, it takes a little bit of fiddling to learn it, but it's not hard.

Olioboard.com

You can plop images onto your board, and then you can move them around, resize them, layer them, crop them...and more. After you're happy with a board, you can save it as a jpeg file to your computer, to post here.

This thread is from 2012, and many of us shared ideas for creating some of the boards used in the Design Around This threads. About halfway down I did a pretty long post about Olioboard, and it explains more about how it works:
About the Design Around This Threads

It's a lot easier for me to visualize things using this tool...and it's fun to play with.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 11:06PM
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mdln

@ mudhouse - does oliboard work on an ipad? It seems to want flash installed to work (for me).

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 11:43PM
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mudhouse_gw

@ mdln, I really don't know (don't have an iPad myself.) They have an FAQ answer that says: "Yes. Olioboard is now available on the iPad. You can now browse products, save items to sets and create moodboard designs on the go. We are in the process of incorporating our new pro tools into the iPad now. They should be available in the coming months."

You might get better info by posting a question in their "Discuss" section of the site, or email them directly through the Contact Us link. Sorry to not be more help!

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 1:02AM
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tinker1121

Lookin good mudhouse!
Can't wait to pick up the sample of the Western Slate Vanilla cream vinyl. I am loving the Empire Slate in Woodstock white though and have attached a picture I took of the sample. Appears a bit darker in the pic as everything seems to with my cellphone camera. The pattern is unique as it is 16" squares offset in a diamond pattern and the color just feels safe with a some light and dark grays, some cream and tans. Just have to keep it longer to make sure the tans don't turn greenish certain times of the day. This pic looks a tad green? The grout is a pretty cream/off white.

I like the idea of Antique White better than blue but since I asked for advise, you all are so good at this I will get a 6238 icicle sample. The ajoining living room is all tones of golds, tan, beige with dark red accents. Walls are a BM lightish gold and can't think of the name. The room behind it is my computer room, a small enclosed back room and a SW beige called Horn with light mocha colored berber carpet.
Wallpaper coming down on Saturday. Let the mess begin and hope it is painless. No more shopping and have to concentrate on elbow grease!

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 5:52AM
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tinker1121

Pic of my existing formica I am keeping. As per usual, appears a bit darker than it really is. Is more of a creamy beige with flecks of taupe, browns and tad of dark blue.

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may_flowers

The vinyl is pretty. I noticed it looked a little green in the Olioboard and the sink looks purple. I called it blueberry in your other thread but is it navy? I know your counter is really a cream. Looks almost white in your other photo. Can you take a pic of the floor sample on the counter?

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 7:57AM
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tinker1121

The floor sample I posted is not the same as the one in Olio grouping from mudhouse. I don't have that sample and had the pattern in the sunset color but someone looked at the Armstrong site and suggested I get the pattern in the lighter color called "vanila cream". Slate look with 12" squares.
I am loving the sample I posted above under my wainscoat and a 16" square set on the diagonal. Different and a bit unique.

I am at work right now and will take a picture of it on the counter tomorrow morning hoping it will show the true colors. Pics at night are just not accurate at all.

I went to Ace Hardware at lunch and looked at a color sample HC-174 Lancaster Whitewash. It is on the strip with revere pewter and edgecomb gray so a cool light beige/antique white sort of color. I picked up the $2 color jar and will try it out. I will also get the SW Antique White.

I am going to some great fabric for my curtains I think to punch up some color and maybe bring in the navy. Everything seems cool and easy and I may be in shock after living with that lively wallpaper all these years!

I am putting the cart before the horse again and decorating after painting and floor down can solve it I am sure.

Back to work now. :)

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 1:36PM
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mudhouse_gw

I'm excited for you, tinker1211. January is such a great time to start new projects (seems so appropriate.)

May_flowers has a good point about the sink color...I was thinking about that too. We are all guessing that the Icicle color is in the right family of blues, based on how it looks on our monitors. You may have to double check it with swatches to see if Icicle is on the right path with your "actual" blue.

You're so right about checking material samples to see how they look, different times of the day, before taking the plunge. (I've painted whole rooms only to find they looked horrid when evening arrived...) Lesson learned.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes!

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junco East Georgia zone 8a

The Woodstock White floor pic looks very nice, I think.
You surely need to check all the samples against the sink and the counter.
Now send us a picture with the wallpaper gone!

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may_flowers

If the sink is more of a blueberry, Icicle or any pale blue could make the sink look purple, just like on the Olioboard.

Does anyone else remember blueberry from the 80s, along with dusty rose and hunter green? I worked in a kitchen store then and remember enameled pots and tea kettles in those colors.

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 3:36PM
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raee_gw

Tinker, you really need to stop shopping and get that wallpaper off! That will make everything much easier. (BTW I did the same thing, kept getting myself distracted to other choices... even other rooms!.)

Then you need to make a decision about the artwork, yes or no. Because if you are going to keep it, it will be dominating and everything must work with it.

On my monitor, the artwork (which I really like) does have an overall warm, almost greenish undertone feel (probably because of the blues and golds together). So having a little greenish in the floor would not be bad. I don't think that the cooler, grayer floor in the 2nd mock up works with it all that well (or with the formica and sink)

Going back to the Sunday posts: I think that the first mock up with Ivoire paint and sundance floor and the artwork would work -- *only* if you painted the wainscoting; (and I know that you don't want to, but to my eye it makes everything feel closed in) What I liked about the Sundance floor is the touches of blue that pick up on the sink, and I think that is a good thing. But it also is too strong color wise and too busy with the wainscoting--again, though, because I cant' really tell the scale of the floor pattern in your room it is hard to say for sure.

I think that the Woodstock white floor does work better all around.

What about a semi-flush light? If you keep that artwork (or any significant hanging) I would say you want something that lights well but is rather out of the view.
BTW, what kind of light bulb you will use will make a huge difference in your color choices, too. Can you try out LED and CFL bulbs in the different color temps? (3000k and 2800k) I changed to 3000k LEDs and am so happy with the difference.

If the adjoining rooms are all in warm tones, then you don't want to go overall cool if they can see or be seen from the kitchen. It would seem off. You can stay in colors considered neutral or stay warm. The paint stores usually have brochures or online aides that group their colors into warm, neutral and cool. Ivoire seems to be a warm color, and there are warm blues (your sink seems to be a neutral dark blue).

Whew, hope all that IMO helps some!

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 3:55PM
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tinker1121

Mission of the day accomplished. I skipped my water aerobics class tonight and went back to the flooring store to return the Congoleum Western Slate in Sunset sample the 3 others that are too dark and picked up the sample of the Western Slate in the vanilla cream. I don't like it as much as the Armstrong Empire Slat in the Woodstock White color but will not rule it out until I get the wallpaper down, see it in different lighting and times of day and paint up some sample color boards.

Coloring in both floor samples similar but I love the large pattern of the Woodstock White and it some of the grays look greenish at times and also can appear dark blue. The squares would be on the diagonal and I like that uniqueness of it's design.

The Congoleum Western Slate in Vanilla cream has the same coloring in some of the 12 " blocks with some the plainer in very light blocks intermixed.

I will get it. I know I will!

My sink is not blueberry I don't think, but a true medium navy color.I don't think I want to consider blue walls as too off, with the color tones of the rest of my first floor. I also think of blue for bedrooms. (btw my bedroom is painted Quietude by SW and my favorite color ever!!!)

Picked up two BM paint samples today in Lancaster Whitewash and a color called Niveous, one of Candace Olsen's faves. I like it just because she likes it!! I love all of her designs and wish she would come over! I will also get a sample jar of SW Antique White.

Thanks again and hope we don't reach 150 posts before I get the darn wallpaper off. Maybe I will start it one night this week yet after work!

    Bookmark   January 13, 2014 at 8:01PM
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tinker1121

Took a pic of the Armstrong Empire Slate in Woodstock White with my counter. Best pic I can get for now since dark in the morning and when I get home from work but I think I love it.
The lighter version of the Western Slate (picture boards start with the darker color Sundance and then changed to Vanilla Cream) may have too much color variation in the blocks. It reminds me of chocolate milk not stirred enough. lol. I still love the pattern of the Woodstock, it can be green/gray at times and will finalized my decision this weekend when the wall paper is off.

AND, I had an idea for a paint color to try BM Manchester Tan as forgot I had a sample from when I helped my daughter with her townhouse colors and it is pretty darn good with the Woodstock White floor, at least in this lousy dreary morning! It is beautiful in her first floor and doesn't change too much, just the depth of color. Doesn't go green and if anything can go a tad cool which I think would be good from the advice to tone down the oak.

I always choose paint colors from opinions here and the paint's reputation for being neutral, doesn't change color, it can be this or that etc. (love Ivorie's reputation and one of the reasons I picked up the sample).

I posted a link with a great article on Manchester Tan. I have a small board painted and I like it. Opinions on Manchester Tan please? I will still get a SW Antique White sample this week also

Also, sad to say my beloved bird wall hanging is not going to work with the direction I have gone. You all tried to convince me of that and better artwork is out there I am sure.

Here is a link that might be useful: Manchester Tan

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 5:56AM
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tinker1121

Manchester Tan

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 6:09AM
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may_flowers

The counter and flooring seem to have the same undertone. I think the cabinets will look very nice with it.

Notice how they show Manchester Tan with oak floors in this pic. The fireplace stone looks like it could mimic the flooring you've picked out--a little gray, a little tan, a little cream. I would say Manchester Tan is closer to what I was trying to achieve when I painted in Antique White, which is creamier--ie, more yellow.

This post was edited by may_flowers on Tue, Jan 14, 14 at 11:14

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 11:12AM
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tinker1121

So is that a thumbs up for Manchester Tan and the Woodstock White floor? I do value you opinion, honesty, and assistance mayflower.

Funny I took notice of that same picture you posted also and how they chose green for a valance and the stone on the fireplace.

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 11:29AM
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nosoccermom

If you like Manchester Tan, also check out Edgecomb Gray; it's slightly less beige. I think one up from Lancaster Whitewash and goes well with navy blue.

from l to r:
Edgecomb Gray, Fog Mist, Titanium

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may_flowers

Tinker, we have to go by what your eye sees in the proper lighting, but so far so good on my monitor. You've come a long way, baby!

Try the Edgecomb Gray too. I don't like yellows so much with oak. My hallway has oak floors and I have the Antique White there, but it's a very dark hallway, so not much yellow comes through.

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 11:59AM
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tinker1121

The names throw me and would have a hard time painting with "gray" , as crazy as it sounds, but I will get a sample as no one has steered me wrong yet. lol

I bought the Lancaster Whitewash sample jar yesterday and a bit "flat" looking for lack of a better word, when I see it next to my Manchester tan board.

I feel more confident now as just have the need to have a vision in my head in going in the right direction finally!

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mudhouse_gw

Hi Tinker, here is the room with the pretty Linda Plaisted artwork, from the link you sent, and with the Benjamin Moore Manchester Tan walls. The entire floor is now Armstrong Empire Slate in Woodstock White.

I made the poster pretty large, just so you could see the colors in it. The nice thing about that poster is you can order it in a whole range of sizes (smaller than I show it, here.) I added the silver frame just because I thought it would coordinate with the grays in the floor.

Because the floor, poster, and Manchester Tan seem to have greenish undertones, the strong cobalt blue accessories I was using didnâÂÂt work (and IâÂÂm not sure they were a good match for your sink, anyway.) So I changed the accessories to a mix of blues and greens.

I had the backsplash tiles saved from another board (I think, back from when we were all playing with ideas for Deedles lovely green vintage range.) So dropped them in. These are fairly expensive Ann Sacks tiles, but IâÂÂm just including them as a color idea, showing a mix of blues/greens. I also think your existing formica backsplash would still work, without any tiles. A backsplash could always be something you add later, if you think the room needed it. It may not.

Then I got carried away and added some blue upholstered chairs, because I was thinking that style chair might move you even further away from the âÂÂcountry vibe.â They might be pretty, if you donâÂÂt have kids waving peanut butter sandwiches around. I left the black chairs in as well (hope that is not too confusing.)

If you hear a doorbell, that will be me, waving a wallpaper scraper. ;-)

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julieboulangerie

mudhouse, I love that design.

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 5:22PM
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mudhouse_gw

Julie, I thought you did a wonderful job with your golden oak kitchen. (And I lust after your Electrolux induction slide in range.) Bravo for making your own huge Roman Shade. I'm getting ready to buy a new sewing machine, in the hopes I can tackle some of our own window treatments, so you give me hope.

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 5:49PM
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tinker1121

I just love it!!!
After about 200 posts and everyone's help here, it really did evolve into just the right colors to incorporate my present counters and sink.
Mudhouse, your boards were invaluable and a HUGE thank you! The chairs make a huge difference and I will be on the lookout for something similar.

For me, I need to have a solid plan in place, confidence I am heading in the right direction and then just do it.

Saturday is D day for the wallpaper. A little sad to see it go as I actually still get compliments on it, BUT they don't live here and it has seen it's day.

Can't wait to post some demolition photos.

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 7:23PM
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detroit_burb

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/oldhouse/msg0322280021357.html

see my old thread on removing old paper if you have a hard time with the glue.

i've been following along and look forward to your progress.

this last board is by far the most fresh and modern looking while still honoring the oak.

This post was edited by detroit_burb on Thu, Jan 16, 14 at 20:05

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 8:04PM
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tinker1121

Thanks for the link Detroit. I have used fabric softener in the past to remove wallpaper but mixed it in a spray bottle. Your method sounds easy breezy and I will try it with the paper towels.
How do you keep the foil over the paper towel?

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 8:21PM
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detroit_burb

the foil just sticks on because the towels are wet, it keeps the solution from evaporating too quickly, so it can soak into the paper and paste.

hopefully you will be able to strip the paper, and just spray and scrape the goop easily, but if you run into old paste or sticky paper that is stubborn, the papertowel/foil really saves elbow grease and turns it all to mush.

good luck with this!!

I have removed my grand share of old wallpaper and I vow never to paper a room because of the pain it has caused me.

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 11:28PM
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tinker1121

Whew, it is a slow go. Was I supposed to score it first as now I can only get small pieces to come off? At this rate this will take weeks!! That little spot took almost an hour.
Maybe I should buy a steamer? My back won't take standing for hours like this I fear.

I am now very excited the project is in motion. I will actually miss my country kitchen a bit I think and DH still thinks it was "beautiful". lol

Wish me luck!

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 7:29PM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

Is it paper paper or vinyl coated? If it's vinyl coated you should be able to peel the top layer off and the paper backing that remains on the wall should wash off. Try it somewhere that you haven't scored. And start soaking from the top down.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 9:21PM
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justretired

I have been reading all 150+ posts with interest as your kitchen used to be mine.

I too had to remove wallpaper and found the quickest, easiest way was with a steamer. And yes, score first, it allows the solution to get behind the paper.

If you are unable to remove all of the glue prime with Gardz. It seals the glue so that it does not seep through when you paint.

Good luck, it is a miserable job but the payoff is great!!

Justretired

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 9:27PM
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tinker1121

The paper is vinyl coated and I think I do need to start in a corner and peel it off and use the fabric solution on that paper backing that gets left behind. I have done this before but was much younger. :)

Justretired, can we see a pic of your kitchen? Do you have before and after?

I am done for the night. I did pull the border right off and tomorrow will tackle another wall and see how it goes and if I have to buy a steamer.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 9:39PM
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detroit_burb

can you post a photo of the problem so we can see?

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 9:43PM
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tinker1121

I am just not getting anywhere. I need to try and pull off the vinyl layer first, then saturate the paper layer that is left.

Home Depot has a wallpaper steamer for $50. It is worth it for this project I think as the entire soffit area up top is also papered.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 10:06PM
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raee_gw

You know, now that I see that paper close up, I believe it may be the same that I papered my family room with in 1987 or so! although mine had a whiter background IIRC. I really liked that paper, but now it does seem dated!

The fellows who stripped my wallpaper in the kitchen used hot water and DIF mixed in a tank sprayer. They said that the tank sprayer (the kind you might use for spraying trees or gardens) works really well to saturate the paper.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 10:33PM
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bpathome

Looks fresher already!

I peeled off my vinyl layer easily, then spritzed the under paper with hot water and peeled strips, then scrubbed the glue with vinegar. That's why I'm hesitant to ever put up paper again! Try the steamer!

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 10:33PM
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daisychain01

Try craig's list for the steamer. And if you do buy one from HD, I bet you could sell it on craig's list. 15 years ago, i had to remove a bunch of wallpaper from some bedroom walls. I tried for days, finally gave up and hired someone. I think they charged me $200. It was a huge amount for me because I was a stay at home mom and prided myself on doing everything to save money (built my own kitchen island!), but I never regretted spending that money.

Also a note about Lancaster ww. We had this in our main living space for years. We also have a lot of oak trim and it never seemed to go. A decorator friend later pointed out to me that it had a lot of grey in it that clashed with the warm oak. We switched to something with more warmth and green tones and it is a million times better.

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localeater

I have removed lots and lots of wallpaper. Why, oh why, did my husband and I buy so many houses where the owners felt it was necessary to wallpaper the walls and ceilings of the kitchen and all baths.
Score with paper tiger- love that thing!, spray with hot water and DIF, scrape.
I do also have a steamer and sometimes I resort to it. But it's heavy when it is full and makes my arms ache. I have a small Black and Decker steamer. It was worth the investment as I have loaned it out on numerous occasions. Each situation is unique; the combination of wall, glue, paper, I swear the humidity on the day it was applied probably factors in LOL.
Don't give up- think how proud of yourself you will be when it is done. And honestly, that one patch of clean white wall looks so bright and fresh!

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 8:44AM
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equest17

Tinker, you may look into renting a wallpaper steamer from an equipment rental place. It's not much cheaper than buying, depending on how many days you'll need it, but I think a commercial one is much more powerful. I have stripped many a stubborn paper (and even popcorn ceilings) with a rented steamer and it is definitely worth it!

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tinker1121

Wagner steamer is $49.99 at HD and $54.99 at Lowes. I just got back from Lowes and they match prices less 10% and got it for $45.00! I think it will be well worth it.

Off to fire it up!

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 10:22AM
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honorbiltkit

Tinker --

I have not weighed in since the original thread, but the patch of wall showing under the paper helps clarify a problem that I have had with your pics from the get-go. To wit, that although you were describing surfaces as beige or tan, most photos seemed to show a distinct pinkish tinge. I thought it was just my monitor, so I shut up about it.

Now the brilliant white of the underlying wall suggests that the wallpaper is indeed a pinky beige. Looking back at the fine adjustments mudhouse has so creatively and judiciously provided, I strongly suggest that once the wallpaper is down you take a set of photos of both the cabinet area and the dining area with AS MUCH NATURAL LIGHT as you can get in the room, e.g., by flipping up the curtains on bright day. Then, take the same photos with something as as close to the artificial lighting you envision at night or with less day light.

That way we can better figure out whether the sink is slatish navy and the countertop pale neutral beige or the sink is periwinkle-ish navy and the counter background is pinkish. If former seems to be the case, then the Manchester Tan as captured in may_flowers' photo would be splendid, I think, IF that photo was not taken with professional photographers' lighting that mimics copious natural light but is not possible in your room.

Also, with better light and closer up, maybe we could see the paint chips against the original bird hanging, which is is lovely and a nice scale for your wall, and with the floor samples.

Now you see why I needed to shut up.

Waiting with baited breath to see your un-wallpapered dining area and the buff deltoids you are likely to develop with all that steaming, I wish you a productive afternoon.

hbk

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 11:49AM
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decordummy_gw

Love Mudhouse's last design - the blues & greens look great with the fabulous artwork.

Good luck with the wallpaper.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 1:45PM
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mudhouse_gw

hbk, buff deltoids indeed!

Tinker, I am surprised that the combined sheer mental force of GardenWebbers across the country has not already peeled your walls bare. You go girl.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 2:57PM
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tinker1121

LOL Mudhouse.

I am starting to say bad words and taking a break, but LOVE my steamer!!! Five hours and the progress is amazing with that thing.

I clunked my head on the light three times, missed the bottom step of the stool twice, have wall paper stuck on my arms, shirt and socks and thank god I have off tomorrow.

Listening to 70s music on a cable tv music station and have to watch when I start dancing that I don't take a tumble off the stool. This is a tear down disco party. Wish you all were here! There is so much steam that the condensation is running down all the windows on the first floor!

I am going to finish the walls today and tackle the soffits tomorrow if I can still move.

You all are the wind beneath my wings, truly!

Back to work.

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ineffablespace

You can see what a huge difference this makes already.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 3:57PM
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may_flowers

Fantastic! I'm even starting to like the wainscot!

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 4:14PM
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bpathome

You are a speed demon! That was fast! You just might inspire me to get a steamer and take down my half-bath and laundry, maybe even sunroom, paper...maybe...

But your kitchen looks Great! Better take a warm bath tonight to rest up for the soffits and out on the crock pot for tomorrow. Love my crockpot on a busy day. Feels like someone else made dinner,

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 10:04PM
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tinker1121

The steamer is simply amazing and my saving grace. You definitely won't regret purchasing it.

It is soooooo easy and you need to be a bit ambidextrous and hold the large steam paddle on an area for 10 or 15 seconds while pulling and removing from the previously steamed area. With some good music and the fast results, it motivated me to keep on going and the time flew by.

Today I am aching especially the knees from going up and down the step stool, but don't want to extend the mess into the week and do hope to finish it today. DH is on board now and can't believe the difference. He has serious back issues and feels badly he can't help as he used to, but he is a great assistant to watch the water level of the steamer, man the trash can and sweep up a bit.

AND it looks so good already we (actually me, lol) are discussing replacing the countertops. HD scared me off with their installation prices and $400 "removal" costs. I suggested we do laminate and see if a friend who did the originals would be interested in ordering the formica and doing the work and it would be much less than their quote.

More coffee, some Advil for the joints and I will post some pics later of the color boards and really need help. Thank you all for your continued support and great ideas and suggestions!

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 6:09AM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

$400 removal cost!! I'm in the WRONG line of business! If I could make $200 an hour I wouldn't have to pinch pennies now.

Your room looks twice the size already. Power on!

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 7:46AM
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bpathome

Remember to use your tummy and hips to step up and down, save your knees. Your DH is a treasure, keeping things in line while you steam is huge!

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 9:22AM
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lam702

Having removed a good amount of wallpaper myself over the years, I can relate. Your wall looks incredibly different already! Good job! When you finish the wallpaper removal, the worst will be over. Just wait until you get a fresh coat of paint on those walls, you will be amazed at the difference! I had to smile at your comment about maybe replacing the countertops, as we all know, once you start renovating, one thing leads to another....:)

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nosoccermom

Wow, it looks so much lighter and brighter and updated already!
Please post pictures of your progress!

(As an aside, I had an estimate from HD for laminate for a small kitchen, that was almost as much as granite because the labor cost was so high compared to the actual material.)

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 1:26PM
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tinker1121

All finished and a 12 1/2 hour job with clean up. You all told me the difference would be amazing with that wallpaper gone and it really is. Aching all over but so worth it.

Visited Home Depot and two sheets of Wilsonart laminate in the needed sizes would only be $155 for the material. Sold, if we can find a handyman, and hopefully the friend who built the original countertops would be willing to replace it with new on top. They even sell a matching bullnose piece to replace the existing oak piece.

Now If I could just decide on the wall color. My pictures just don't read true I am afraid. Took my vinyl floor sample, cabinet door and counter sample to SW and she chose Interactive Cream and Sea Salt. I really don't like blue for the kitchen and doesn't go at all with other rooms on the first floor.

Manchester still in the running and I need to paint a larger piece of foam board.

This post was edited by tinker1121 on Tue, Jan 21, 14 at 15:41

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 2:38PM
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tinker1121

This is an accurate picture of the cabinet color. (excuse the missing door I took off to take to the paint store).

Is Manchester Tan feasible and again, SW recommends Interactive Cream.

As someone mentioned, my pictures tend to read pink from my cell phone as you can see on the floor and soffits that are white under the removed wall paper.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 4:54PM
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junco East Georgia zone 8a

What color laminate did you see at HD? It needs to work with the cabinet and paint colors.
The Interactive Cream looks awfully yellow on my computer. You will have to make a decision based on your light in your room. I understand you don't like the blue. But I fear you will end up emphasizing the yellow in the oak. Something that counteracts the oak might also complement the navy sink.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 5:42PM
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ineffablespace

It already looks a Lot better. Is anything blue out of the question? The bird art seemed to have a lot of blue in it.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 5:46PM
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detroit_burb

I really love the woodwork!

nice job, and your walls are in beautiful shape from what I can see. Just make sure there is no trace of paper paste - do a good washdown before painting.

Wallpaper removal stinks! Hard to put wallpaper on once you've done stripping because you know the "cost" of removing it.

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may_flowers

You mentioned a new faucet earlier. If you took that shelf out, you could put in a taller one and you'd have a really pretty sink area. The faucet is going to look very brassy with your new colors.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 7:04PM
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tinker1121

No more wall paper for me!!!

I am learning how to work with Olioboard.com (thanks Mudhouse) and it is so helpful to see things all together. This is my first attempt and a bit primitive but again, really puts things in perspective with the tile and formica I saw yesterday.

It is fun playing and this is still the Woodstock White floors Manchester Tan paint, an accurate cabinet color, Wilsonart Bengal Slate laminate and an image of a blue sink.

When seeing it all together, formica seems wrong but I do love that glass tile.

Please advise what is wrong and right here.

I do still love Mudhouse's last design and need a formica for that board since deciding to get new laminate. I did order the bird print and need to see it IRL to see if it works.

(Oh, and that Interactive Cream is just wrong, especially in the evening light.)

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 7:30PM
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tinker1121

I am stressing about the metal color. Cabinets have an antique brass which I can change, present faucet is polished brass and I have to choose a light for over the table.

Most lights are burnished bronze with an almost copper like edge and I don't like it at all. Quoizel has a new color "palladium bronze" which is a pretty brown with a more of a dull gold edging.

Can you suggest a faucet and color mayflower? Funny I thought about taking out the shelf but not sure if it will leave damage to the sides of those cabinets. It does come in handy too though I do agree it would look better without it.

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ineffablespace

I think you have two synthetic materials both trying to mimic natural stone. Maybe a laminate that wasn't trying to look like something else (or at least not like a similar stone)would work better.

Wilsonart Mystic Melange

SORRY THIS ONE IS SOLID SURFACE, NOT LAMINATE

This post was edited by ineffablespace on Tue, Jan 21, 14 at 20:10

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 7:59PM
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ineffablespace

Wilsonart Mystic Marine

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tinker1121

Ineffable space that is exactly the problem. Thank you!
AND I loved that solid surface and put it on a new board.
Darn.

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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

does the Mystic Marine go with your blue sink? I know you're wavering on a new sink but maybe keep the blue. One thing you WILL want to do if you put in counters that are darker than what you have now is under cabinet lights. No question about it you won't be able to see what you're doing on your counter. I can see from your picture above your cams won't hit in a good spot for seeing what you're doing on the counter. The plug in ones are not expensive. The new LEDs I got the other day were about $22 for 20 inches or so. They are a lot whiter than the fluorescents I had but I don't care; as long as I can see what I'm doing and can read a recipe at night that's all I care. The whole kitchen can light up like an operating room if I want it to and I often do. Helps my mood during the long, dark, cold winter.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 8:58PM
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tinker1121

I like this Formica laminate but not with floor I don't think.

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ineffablespace

Does Home Depot carry Nevamar or Pionite?

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lynn_r_ct

At least in CT, Nevamar and Pionite are only available through select lumber and hardware stores - only three in the whole state. Don't know where tinker lives but their website will give information as to dealers where she is. The products are very nice - didn't really price them out though.

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tinker1121

There is a distributor about 15 miles away that carries Nevamar, per their website.

Appears they only carry Nevamar and not the Pionite but would have to check.

Here is a link that might be useful: Nevamar counters

This post was edited by tinker1121 on Wed, Jan 22, 14 at 4:46

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nosoccermom

I personally would go with/leave the countertop fairly neutral. I still like Mudhouses's last design the best with colorful accessories that can be changed more easily.

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may_flowers

Since the counter has to work with the sink, I would select that first. I would be cautious of locking myself into a solidly blue counter since you have seen how much trouble a little blue sink has caused.

I'd look for traditional styles for the faucet, backsplash, and light. You can't ignore the oak and accessorize with what's popular today in an entirely different style of kitchen. Remember, this is updated country.

The glass mosaic has all the right colors, but it is contemporary. Do you have a lot of tiling to do in the parts of the kitchen we haven't seen? A little of that tile goes a long way.

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ineffablespace

On the other hand I don't think it has to go all the way from the sensory overload of the before, to a completely bland after. If there is no blue anywhere but the sink you might as well bite the bullet and get rid of it, too.

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 11:31AM
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tinker1121

I think I agree that I don't want a blue counter as taking me back to the 80s once again locking in to too much color. I have to choose the formica first.

I do really like the formica (Bengal Slate) in the board I posted that has the tile but another floor would have to be chosen. And yes that tile is probably too contemporary.

I so appreciate this forum to steer me in the right direction.

Mudhouse's vision is pretty much perfect, and I think the issue is it was done with the premise I was keeping my existing counter. Maybe I just should and will continue to shop by trial and error.

I need to get shopping this weekend.

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 11:39AM
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ineffablespace

See if you can get Mannington Commercial vinyl. They make a number of patterns that are abstract speckles or linens and things that aren't trying too hard.

Here is a link that might be useful: Mannington Commercial

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 11:49AM
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may_flowers

What about a grayed blue? This is French Blue Matrix from the Nevamar link. I agree the counter needs some blue or a gray with blue undertones or the sink will look like a random color thrown in. It will probably be easier to find flooring to match if you are in the gray family.

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tinker1121

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am having fun with olioboard.com still. I received the artwork I asked mudhouse to include on her board (the bird on the branch) and colors are way too blue and yellow IRLand it is not of quality. It was a nice design but can't use that as a highlight.

I really like this floor and it doesn't fight my oak woodgrain. Need wall paint color suggestions for this scenario.

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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

Go to the paint store. Pick a chip of every white, cream, gray, pale blue, pale yellow, pale pink, pale lavender, pale green, pale everything! Bring them all home. Stick them in the cracks of your cabinet doors, along the edge of the cabinets where they meet the wall, tucked into the molding of the wainscot. See what doesn't work. Take those down. See what doesn't appeal to you. Take those down. What do you have left?

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junco East Georgia zone 8a

That board looks very nice. How does Manchester Tan look with that combination? And have you tried that counter with the actual sink?

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lyfia

How about checkered board Marmoleum tiles - it is linoleum and what vinyl started out trying to mimic

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tinker1121

I like!
luv_mkitchen has lovely Marmoleum. What is the pricing and upkeep/cleaning on this material.

Also, intereting how this is gravitaiting to warmer tones.

It will come together. This weekend I will gather all the paint, counter top and floor samples I can find.

Also have not ruled out replacing the blue sink. Would be sad to see it go though. It does have light scratches all around the rim but nothing major. I would think it would be $800 or more to get something of similar quality.

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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

I've read about some problems with the click tiles but I don't know as that should stop you. I purposely bought Marmoleum sheet because it's my dog room. I knew vinyl would be destroyed in a year. It's just too soft. The Marmoleum is hard and slick. For my purpose it was exactly what I needed. My 12x26 came to about $2,000 with the heat welds which you wouldn't need. The prices I saw for vinyl were nearly the price of Marmoleum so I thought rather than do vinyl and then replace it in a year or two I'd just spend the money once and hopefully never again. Or at least not as long as I lived here. The original inlaid was from the 80's.

Cleaning. Dog room. Things happen. I use whatever is handy. At first I stuck with vinegar and water. Now I use whatever I need for the reason I'm cleaning. For dog pee I do use the heavy duty stuff from the dollar store, Awsome. My driveway to the barn is little gravel pebbles that sticks in the bottoms of my shoes. So far they haven't done damage when I've walked on the floor. I do see dog toenail tracks when the floor is wet (from the dogs who do the Road Runner impersonation). But the color goes all the way through the floor so it really isn't noticeable at any time. I see it because I'm looking for it. And the light has to be shining on it.

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may_flowers

What is the floor in your Olioboard?

Do you want Marmoleum in your dining area? It's kitcheny. I wouldn't use upholstered chairs with it, but I think those chairs are too dressy for an eat-in kitchen with a country oak table anyway.

Take your time and find a few countertop samples that you and your cabinets love. It has to start there, whether you keep the sink or not. The cabinets are staying.

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nosoccermom

So, the art work with the birds is out, now?

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 10:17AM
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tinker1121

Yes the blue art with bird on the branch is of poor quality anfitting in. I still have the one with the leaves and this is still evolving. Appears blue sink may be going bit will decide when Formica is found.

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 6:43PM
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nosoccermom

Oh, I missed that one. So the leaves are still in. I have to say that I like your blue sink....

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 6:52PM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

There are 10 divisions of Marmoleum and each has a BUNCH of colors and patterns. You can do anything with it. My point was it was more resilient than vinyl but tinker doesn't need such a bullet proof floor. She could certainly have it and I bet it will be in the same price point as the vinyl she's looking at.

Here is a link that might be useful: Marmoleum

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 8:38PM
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lynn_r_ct

I cast a vote for keeping the blue sink. Re the bird and leaves print, although I really like it, my concern is the size. If you have to offset it so as to not cover the light switch, it will always seem as if it was just put up "crooked." Don't get too far ahead of yourself and overthink this to death. I would stick with neutrals for now in the things you feel you must change, which will leave you a lot of room to bring in accents that you like.... picking up the blue in a print, curtains and whatever on the counters... until you want to deal with the next change. Be careful you don't turn this redesign turn into a remodel as it almost seems to be doing.

IMHO

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 11:50PM
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tinker1121

I do think this is more difficult than a remodel! What do I change, what goes or stays and then have to find something I like and goes with the cabinets and wainscoat etc.

I am still in awe of how different the kitchen looks without that dreadful wall paper. The wood does not seem as orange or as dominating. As suggested here, I should have just gotten that off FIRST, digested the new space and then start gathering ideas for colors, décor etc.

Back to the blue sink. Finding formica to go with it is proving to be difficult and my thought is new formica and a tile backsplash with that old sink is like "putting lipstick on a pig" something I read here. I think I would have to stay neutral with the counter color and if that is the case, might as well keep my current formica? Keeping the sink makes the metal choices harder for a faucet, cabinet hardware and a light.

I have considered a new bisque sink or a little darker beige porcelain sink with a matching faucet with new counters and a tile backsplash. I really do think if new laminate is found, the sink will be going.

I am taking my time and all will evolve as I find the time to look for materials and get the colors right. I have ordered some 8 x 10 Formica and Wilsonart samples as working with 2" pieces is pretty much impossible.

I don't think I want to get into Marmoleum but thanks for suggesting. I only need 168 square feet of flooring and looking at the "better and best" lines of vinyl the material will be $500 to $650. Armstrong makes a beautiful vinyl tile.

Thanks again for ALL of your input and continued support. It will be a happy day when I post the end results. I just want it to be nice and not have any regrets or waste $ on the wrong thing.

(lol at my own self and attachment to the leaf and bird picture!)

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 6:12AM
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nosoccermom

Why don't you keep the old Formica counters? They look neutral and in good shape. If you really don't like the Formica backsplash, perhaps you could paint over it, or just remove that.

Also, with respect to the leaves art, could you just tape a piece of paper the size of it on the wall and see how that looks? You have that art piece, right, and like it?

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 10:02AM
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may_flowers

If your sink is limiting your design choices, don't feel bad about replacing it. You got 25 years out of the sink and the Formica.

Make sure the undertones are a very close match in your counters and floor. Pick one of the two to provide a little movement. The counter might be best because of the wainscot.

I recommended keeping your old hardware in your first thread, but when you posted the sink wall, I felt the cabinets could use a little sparkle or shine with a reflective metal.

The dining room might benefit from a reflective metal for the light fixture too. A more open style light fixture (no heavy glass shades) would help lighten the upper part of that room. In the mock-up of the bird mural, the clean and bright colors provided that lightness, but in real life, it added to the heaviness.

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 10:49AM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

Maybe keep the counter and replace the sink?

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 3:20PM
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tinker1121

Never thought of just replacing the sink. That is a great idea and good for the budget.

Snowing here and lots of time to play with olioboard. Picked up this floor sample yesterday and almost sure it will be The One. Lighter and more muted than showing here.
Paint is Richmond Bisque, Formica is Mocha Travertine (looks pinky in this picture and not true representation), light is $435 and too expensive and an almond sink.

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 3:42PM
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nosoccermom

Do you dislike the sink? I'm biased, but I love blue, especially navy, and love what mudhouse suggested above. It also looks like the current Formica goes well with the sink.
Now, of course, if you hate your sink, that's a different story.

It sounds like at this point, you're not quite sure which components of your current kitchen you like and dislike. So, perhaps it's best to proceed slowly with figuring out what you absolutely will not change, e.g. the cabinets and paneling, and then paint the walls, get a new neutral floor that goes with the cabinets, and a new light fixture and faucet.

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 6:12PM
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Texasgal47

Tinker, how is the reno going? Also, what do you want as the focal point of your kitchen? If you keep the blue sink, it stands out and automatically becomes a focal point. Just something to consider.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 1:59PM
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tinker1121

It's barely going.

I have decided it is not meant to be to replace the counters and the sink. I spent hours online and at HD, Lowes and a kitchen showroom looking for something to coordinate with the cabinets, wainscoat and old or new sink (sink of the same quality as what I have would run close to $600).

There is nothing wrong with either and the blue sink still appeals to me and as others said he counter is neutral and I can always add a backsplash.

Yes, the navy will still dominate but it is a nice color. Pottery Barn has a page of Indigo and I am seeing more blue in the Pier One wall art. I can again tie it in with the curtain fabric, placemats and chairs if I decide to replace the oak chairs

Luv_mkitchen has a great idea to see if the leaf and bird wall hanging could be shortened! It is wood and I have to take it back out of the box to see the construction and what would be compromised. If that won't work, it will be fun to find just the right things for the walls. I will also get a new light and cabinet hardware and hopefully a faucet.

So far having no luck with choosing paint either.

Choosing the paint color is more than aggravating. So far I have tried Kilim Beige (a little heavy and dark at night), the Manchester Tan looks greenish/gray (maybe too cool and sort of weird with the oak colored wood), Interactive Cream (suggested by SW rep and way too orange) and yesterday stopped again and she gave me Believable Buff (looks too dark gold).

I think I need to go lighter and should have picked up the Antique White mentioned here and the color above the Believable Buff.

Below is the Armstrong Floor in Woodstock white and the best one I have found IRL. I think it looks good in Mudhouse's board, and the suggested Chip It colors. I should have done this first to avoid all those wrong colors.

Thanks for asking and all paint color advice will be appreciated! That is not fun at all. Shopping for lights online is as soooo many beautiful choices.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 9:07PM
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junco East Georgia zone 8a

All of those colors are pretty--now figure out which ones go with your counter and cabinets IRL.

Good luck, don't give up!

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 10:30PM
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Texasgal47

There is nothing at all wrong with keeping the blue sink. It's one choice in the design plan that will draw the eye. I'm simply talking about having a vision, which it sounds like you have, and working the vision. I'm talking about not letting an extra expense be a deterrant, if it's within your budget and is part of your plan. Your olioboards have been wonderful, and you're worth the spurge of an updated kitchen.
Regarding the paint problem, I suggest you buy some samples, and paint one part of one side of an old board. That way you have a larger color sample to move about the room and view at different times of the day. That has helped me in making paint decisions. Also, the talented GW folks will see you through this. They're excited about your kitchen and what you're doing.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 10:54PM
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Mgoblue85

Tinker - don't get discouraged with the paint. You may want to consider getting some white paint - if you don't have already - and start mixing up some different sample from what you have. It sounds like you have enough different shades to play around. If you mix up something you think will work have it color matched to paint a larger area to see if you like.

I guess this is a classic case of kissing many toads to find the prince. Your color is out there waiting for you to find it.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 11:49PM
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mudhouse_gw

I agree Tinker, don't get discouraged and don't give up. I don't have a good solution for paint selection when I get to this point in a project....I just keep kissing toads, as Mgoblue85 mentioned, until I find the right one.

I know you will.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 2:08AM
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tinker1121

Thank you all for your continued support! This is such a small project compared to the magnificent remodels going on here but you all spend just as much time and effort on a small project like this AND put up with my indecisiveness. I really really do appreciate this forum!

I will visit SW once again on my way to work and she is also very patient with me. I don't think I really want to get in to mixing up my own color but thanks for suggesting. I will try the Antique White and funny thing I saw the Maison Blanche sample from my Chip It last visit but didn't pick it up so now worth buying the quart sample. I have a 25% coupon and sample are only $5 and what does one do with all of those different colors later!? lol Again, the Chip It is pulling colors from an online photo and reality may not be the same. I have a mini roller and pan and rolling the colors right onto the wall but need to slow down until the spackling is sanded and not roll over it. DH is a saint.

I love the Olio Boards but they add to the pressure to find the right items in the right colors and quality with my end result looking similar. Biggest disappointment is the selection of vinyl flooring patterns out there. So many bad faux slate and stone patterns and my thought is they have to run their course soon. I love the pattern and colors of the floors on my olio board but again, finding it IRL is difficult.

Onward and upward and THANKS for the pep talk!

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 6:00AM
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Mgoblue85

Tinker - you may need some wine and a break. I usually find what I'm looking for once I stop looking.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 7:29AM
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may_flowers

I hear ya on the bad faux stone patterns. I don't think word of the demise of the 1990s Tuscan style has reached the vinyl floor manufacturers yet.

Do you still have the Armstrong Woodstock White sample? Can you take a photo of it on your kitchen floor but step back to include the sink wall cabinets? The close-up photos don't tell us how it reads on the floor from a distance.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 10:08AM
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lov_mkitchenIOWA zone 6b

Mixing the paint you have with white will lighten up a too dark color. If you find a mix that works, the paint store can do a color match off your board. What to do with all your trial and error paint? Mix it all together and you'll have a gallon of "free" paint. Someone will want it. Or take it to Habitat and donate.

I agree. It's time for wine and relaxation. Get away from all of it for a week. Or two. It clears the eyes.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 11:09AM
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bpathome

Visit some open houses in your area this weekend, check the listings first to see if they have oak kitchens. Yes, it's snooping, but go in and out quick and you won't keep the agents for too long. You might see things that work and, just as importantly, things that don't!

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 11:35AM
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Texasgal47

I think you would benefit from an interior designer, preferably one nearby for emergency calls. A good one will reach your vision and also be available for hand holding. Mine was really wonderful in both those areas.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2014 at 12:13AM
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tinker1121

I took a well needed break from spinning my wheels and being indecisive and things are now coming together.

The blue sink is going. You will find it on Craigs List sometime soon!

I came to the conclusion that a darker counter will give me the pop and interest I lost from removing the wallpaper and decided on Formica Labrador Granite. It is a soft black with some cream, gold and touch of brown and rust.

I see the sink as bisque as have bisque fridge and stove and thought I would like cast iron again but suggestions appreciated. May keep my polished brass faucet but ideas welcome

I stumbled on this beautiful valance and the print and colors hard to see but cream, black and bit of tan/gold. Very classy and looks like I am heading from Country to assort of French Country but I like it for this old house.

I am still undecided on paint color and used BM Gentle Cream on this board and when the valance I ordered today comes in will take it to the paint and flooring stores. Any suggestions for a wall color appreciated.

The light is not a definite but I like it as a bit shiney so some bling. Also love the shadow box wall hanging.

Soooo, this is what looks great so far in real life and I have regained my confidence as like this a lot. It feels right.

Any opinions, ideas, comments are welcome. I am almost there! Still need a floor, paint color, sink, maybe a faucet and cabinet hardware. It is now becoming fun.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 7:55PM
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tinker1121

Better close up of fabric.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 7:57PM
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detroit_burb

I bought a couple of items from this site deeply discounted, one had a touch of damage to the finish which is only noticed by me and is doing great two years later.

Here is a link that might be useful: great deal that will work well

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:23PM
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tinker1121

VERY pretty and classy but I am not a fan of the copper colored edging on some of the bronze metals.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:31PM
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may_flowers

Love the fabric. I like black as an accent, and this looks like a softer charcoal black. I'd replace the faucet because it looks small by today's standards and yes, it's dated.

When you were in SW, did you happen to see a brochure of paint samples called Whites and Lights? There's about 50 colors and it will help get you in the right neutral color family.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:38PM
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laughablemoments

We also have Labrador laminate counters in our kitchen. Before we painted our cabinets white, they were an oak, a bit darker than golden, but not much. The oak and the Labrador looked fantastic together. : ) I think Labrador is a nice looking laminate overall.

I will caution you that I do find that the dark laminate gobbles the light up in our kitchen, and we have a big window over our counter. I would highly recommend doing under-cabinet lighting. I'd recommend the lighting regardless, but especially if you go with a dark counter.

The other thing that took some getting used to is that Labrador hides everything in it's mottled coloration. Crumbs, goo, you name it. I have to clean it by feel more than by sight. I also think I've scrubbed some of the shine off in the 5 years that we have had it installed. Probably all that obsessive wiping of hidden crumbs. ;-)

Of course, you do realize that going with this color scheme means you'll need to invest in a black and tan dog. : )

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:40PM
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tinker1121

Ok, this is great feedback. To hear from someone with the Labrador laminate is wonderful!! Lov_mkitchen has been such great help to me and also recommends the under cabinet lighting. Not sure DH will want to hear about another change and work involved for under cabinet lighting, but he is the one who taught me the theory "Do it right, or don't do it at all". :)

I am finally having fun and excitement for this project and thanks again to all the Garden Webbers!

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:48PM
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raee_gw

Ooh, yes, I like that fabric!

I also like bisque with black and tan and dark brown.

I would like to see the Armstrong floor next to the counter chip and your cabinet in real life. I really like it and think it will look great with your valance. Somehow I don't think that the chip-it has brought out quite the right colors, though. They tend toward all mauve-y and I don't see mauve in the floor on my screen, either in your pics or on the Armstrong website.

BTW did you check out the Armstrong website room designer? you can plug in your floor choice, and paint the room in scads of different colors from SW, BM, PP and Olympic. The only flaw is the choice of cabinets is limited to 7 colors so you just have to go with the closest.

I really liked the counter style they show in the casual kitchen. Sort of a dark gray-black.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 10:27PM
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tinker1121

The Armstrong designer is limited. They show more floor than wall space and rooms are really limited to choose from. I will try to get a picture of the counter chip with the cabinets and awaiting a 5 x 7 sample from Formica.

Valance should be here tomorrow and this weekend I can hopefully choose the paint color and take another look at floor samples to go with the Labrador Granite formica. Armstrong Woodstock White still in the running as I like the pattern a lot.

I am loving the black and tan theme and can't wait to see the valance IRL.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 6:49AM
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tinker1121

Laughable I forgot to ask what you used for the backsplash area with your Labrador Granite formica counters?

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laughablemoments

When my kids first glanced at your dog picture, they thought it was a deer, LOL.

We used some kind of laminate for our backsplash. It's a light, neutral, tan that we bought on closeout at Bargain Outlet about 10 years ago (for $5.00 a sheet. Whoo-hoo. That was when they had REAL bargains.) so I don't know exactly what kind it is. It's close to the Wilsonart Almond Leather and Wilsonart Beige Pampas samples that I have. I know it's not very popular to have laminate backsplashes on GW, but we've found it to be a great, easy care surface, even behind our smooth top electric stove. Here is an older picture from mid remodel.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 8:51AM
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tinker1121

I have a laminate backsplash now, same formica as the counter and always liked it especially behind the sink. I don't think I will do it this time as the Labrador color too dark.

I have black plastic on my counters now, testing out the "dark" and I think it will be very pretty. I think I would like a cream tile backsplash with a little black & tan accent somewhere.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 5:50PM
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mudhouse_gw

I went back through the thread looking for it, but couldn't find it...but I remember you described the colors you have in some of the adjacent rooms. Seems to me they would work well with the colors you're using now.

I like the fabric a lot too.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 11:13PM
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Texasgal47

Tinker,you've been on my mind. It's good to hear back from you so soon. Love your selections, very classy. Black counters look wonderful with oak. I too have black mottled counters, and they do suck up the light. You definately do need under cabinet lights. While you're at it, please add lighting to that pretty glass cabinet and shelf above the sink. What about blackish knobs for the cabinets?
I had a new Koehler bisque sink prior to my remodel. It was a thing of beauty but seemed to scratch and lose it's shine too easily for my taste. My selection was to go with a Franke stainless just because of the durability factor.

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 3:31AM
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tinker1121

Mudhouse, the adjoining living room is painted Pittsfield Buff a light gold and carpeting is a medium tan. Furniture is beige chenille in a cream and light tan and then accents of brown with a brown leather chair, lamps and cream drapes. Accents in the room are brown, gold and some dark red accessories. Room behind the kitchen was once an open back porch and we enclosed it years ago and my computer, utility room. Off white walls with taupe berber carpet and brown and cream toile curtains. I seem to always end up with safe neutrals but it works in this old house.

Texas gal I was thinking of black hardware but trying not to have to change out the antique brass cabinet hinges with so looking for something with a rubbed/antique finish that is black and brass like. Saw some nice ones online but man can they be costly. The rubbed bronze look is everywhere but the copper colored edges are just so harsh looking to me though I like the darkness of the metal. I need 29 knobs so not too bad and I would splurge on just the right thing as it could make a nice impact I think.

Funny you should mention the sink and appreciate the feedback on a bisque sink. Would be pretty with the Labrador formica but feel I am just swapping out for color to get the same style again and close to $600 as want a deep two bowl with one larger bowl. I seem to get too matchy matchy at times and the thought of a stainless sink makes me think cool and contemporary. Probably because the infamous blue sink was more or less the centerpiece of he downhome county kitchen I am overthinking it. (Me, overthink?!)

I have kitchen on the brain and turned on the tv this morning and it was a QVC kitchen show demonstrating a colander and draining pasta into the stainless steel sink on the set!! I thought hey, how about a stainless sink since hopefully this is my forever kitchen. What color faucet would I use and can a sink be undermounted in formica? I don't think so but will ask my counter guy who is coming by this week.

I am finally having fun and this color scheme seems right all the way around. The valance should come today and hopefully I can make the final floor and paint selection this weekend. I am seriously considering paying a colorist to come by and help with the paint color. Heck, I have spent that much already on paint samples! Not to worry as I can mix all the neutrals together and will paint the stairway off the door in the kitchen leading to the basement.

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 5:19AM
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junco East Georgia zone 8a

Take a look at the Kohler Vault series of SS sinks. They are drop-in/undermount and have a very thin profile where the edge rests on the counter. I'm looking at the one with the low divide, but there are several other configurations.
The black plastic was a great idea and looks fabulous!

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 10:41AM
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may_flowers

I would investigate the cost of using large format tile as a more upscale and durable countertop.

Here is a link that might be useful: tiled countertop

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 11:27AM
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abbycat9990

Would you consider a black sink? In our last house, we had honed Basalt Slate Formica countertops, and a black "granite" sink by Pegasus (Blanco). I still miss that big, beautiful, single-bowl sink. Sigh. I bought it at HD in 2007 for
Listing photo:

We now have an white acrylic farmhouse style that is scratching and dulling at an alarming rate. It "pops" next to the dark granite-look laminate, but, I really hate the combination and am plotting a complete re-do.

The dark counter tops will definitely suck up light, so do consider more lighting. I feel your wallpaper removal pain. Last house was a huge removal project. When we were house-hunting last spring, "no wallpaper" was top of our list of must haves ;)

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tinker1121

May flower, that tiled counter is beautiful! I really see that as fragile if something were to be dropped on it. Not sure I would want to have to worry about it.

Junco, I will check out those sinks. What color faucet would I use with a stainless sink if sticking with darkish black and gold cabinet hardware. (don't want to change out the brass hinges and leaded glass in top cabinet is gold tone).

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 12:21PM
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may_flowers

Rectified porcelain tile is very durable. You can also use black granite tiles. Some of the black granites are said to be very dense.

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Texasgal47

Tinker, Mayflowers is a professional and knows her materials. I'm a formica fan also but have heard that it does not have the durability now as in years past, that the surface dulls in worn areas. You may want to ask her about this or research the issue on this forum. However, I really do like your formica selection.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 2:48AM
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tinker1121

Mayflower, per the link you posted I was pleasantly surprised to read how inexpensively they did that beautiful counter.

My goal here is not to break the bank as the market in this area not great and hopefully this redo will be the last and I like what I saw with the 24" square tiles and would surely last a long time.

Can I assume that they could over my existing formica a sink could be undermounted if 24" porcelain or granite tiles are used I would love and undermounted sink and what material other than SS?

Thanks for the idea and I will look for a source to check out the tiles. I still am working with that last color scheme with the valance and think I want a dark counter. Would that be easier to achieve with 24: granite tiles than porcelain?

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 6:10AM
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tinker1121

Doing my research and liking what I read about tile counters. They are so much more classy than laminate and if old fashioned, so be it as this house IS old.

Labor would be most of the cost and could this go over my formica? New formica involves the material which I estimate to be $180, plus new wood base, cost unknown and then the labor.

I am excited about this and any and all examples, color ideas appreciated.

Here is a link that might be useful: More info on tiled counters

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 6:19AM
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debrak2008

You can DIY the counters.

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may_flowers

No, I'm not a professional, but Bill Vincent, who posted in your link, is a master craftsman who now posts on the John Bridges forum. It would be worth your while to post over there. Do you have a good tile store in your area with knowledgeable sales people?

I think it's a better choice if you're going to do a tiled backsplash.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 9:45AM
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tinker1121

I am going to stop at a tile store tomorrow as think this is a great idea. We used to be DIYers and did tons of work to this little house but don't have the patience for it. It is a miracle in itself that I got the wall paper off!

I am not aware of that forum and will check it out and thanks to Bill (screenname?) and all who are guiding me. I surely need it! Running out of space on Part II.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 10:23AM
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