latest thinking... Miele vs. Whirlpool?

mamadadapaigeJune 16, 2011

I posted a few weeks back looking for advice. Still confused and ready to make a decision - looking for last bit of advice.

I had been thinking of the Miele W4842 washer with matching dryer - originally thought I needed a gas dryer but now am finding it is electric (we are buying this house - don't currently live there thus the ignorance on my part). Not sure it really makes a big difference.

Have found that the dryer is on the LEFT... would love to find a washer with hinge on the right - if anyone is aware please let me know. Tried to search for it here but came up with too many results.

I got approval for the Miele Architects and Designers personal use program so my price would be about $2500 for the pair plus $198 for each to extend the warranty for five years (whichever model I choose I want to purchase the extended warranty given my so-so luck with appliances).

I visited the store yesterday and was able to cross the Electrolux off my list - I don't think I could live with the push button door. I thought the Asko machines looked good (they had a pair on sale for $1499 but no steam in the dryer and this is one item I would really like to have).

I'd be looking at about $2000 for the Whirlpool Duet with steam or $2700 for the higher end model of Whirlpool Duet. These looked really nice - loved the large size and they area apparently pretty good in terms of reliability.

Any last minute advice for me?

Any ideas of right hinge washing machines?

THANKS!

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sshrivastava

If you are getting a Miele W4842 for the same price as a Duet, I say no contest - Miele takes the cake. Many here think steam is just a gimmick and that it doesn't work very well. I love my W4842 and would never trade it in for a Whirlpool. That would be a downgrade.

    Bookmark   June 16, 2011 at 6:52PM
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Cavimum

The Miele W4842 only comes with the hinges on the right side.

    Bookmark   June 16, 2011 at 8:50PM
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itguy08

Wow, that must be some discount on the Miele - I looked at AJMadison and the W4842 is $1950 alone!

That being said for the prices you mentioned I'd go with the Miele. If nothing else you can at least say you have a Miele. :)

For us mere mortals, the fact that I paid less than the price of that washer for our Kenmore washer and dryer means I could replace them twice and still be out ahead. :)

    Bookmark   June 16, 2011 at 10:35PM
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mieleforme

Miele hands down. Once you have them you will never go back.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2011 at 1:36AM
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fahrenheit_451

VIP purchase program exclusively for trade professionals

At this time, and unless matters change, it would easily be Miele over Whirlpool. My choice is not one owed to the Miele professional discount, but one of overall present quality.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2011 at 10:50AM
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mamadadapaige

I ended up purchasing the Miele set along with the remote vision / 5 year extended warranty ($198 each). With tax, delivery, installation it came to $3200. A lot of money for laundry machines but hopefully they will hold up for me a little longer than if I went with the Whirlpool set.

thanks for your advice!

    Bookmark   June 18, 2011 at 12:09PM
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livebetter

Not only should they hold up but you should find they do a superior job.

I owned FL Frigidaire machines for 10 years and purchased the Miele W4842/T9822 in Feb of this year. My Frigidaire machines were basic (no heater/bells/whistles). They did a fine job but the Miele most definitely do better.

They wash better and definitely rinse better. I always struggled with suds on my glass at the end of a cycle using the old machines (even with proper HE detergent) but with the Miele that has not been a problem. Clear to me it is doing a much better job rinsing. Detergents that left suds before now rinse clear.

Certain cycles on my Miele are my favorite. I love extra white. I do extra white, extended, sensitive for most white loads and they are just dazzling.

I also love the comforters setting. This setting actually thoroughly wets the item(s) being washed before it adds the detergent and washes (called venting).

I love the delay start feature too. When loads take long (extra white mentioned above can take close to 2 hours), I set them at night to start washing in the wee morning hours. When I get up they are ready to dry. Love it!

I researched this purchase for a year and I'm feeling very confident I made the right choice. I paid significantly more than you here in Canada and I still feel good about my choice (I did get a free upgrade to a 10 year warranty which helps).

Please post back when you get them and how you are enjoying them! Good luck!

    Bookmark   June 18, 2011 at 12:28PM
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jddar

I, too, am comparing the Miele W4842 and the Whirlpool Duet WFW96HEX7 with companion dryers. I would prefer the Miele but I'm uncertain if that pair would be stackable. Living in a small condo, the machines have to be stackable. I know the whirlpool is.

I really want as large a capacity washing machine as I can get. As far as I can tell, the w4842 is Miele's only machine with at least a 4 cubic foot capacity. Are the Miele machines stackable? If not, could anyone with the Whirlpool WFW96HEX7 comment on their level of satisfaction, etc.

    Bookmark   June 21, 2011 at 4:05PM
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Cavimum

The Miele W4842 installation instructions do not include stacking information, so I highly doubt it can be stacked.

Here is a link that might be useful: Miele installation instructions

    Bookmark   June 21, 2011 at 5:12PM
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livebetter

The W4842 are not stackable.

I would look at the LG WM3885 before I look at Whirlpool but that's me. I would also consider the WM3360. Both of these are stackable.

Compare these two at the store and you'll the Whirlpool looks and feels inferior to the LG.

I researched machines for a year and narrowed my search down to Miele and LG. I went with Miele but I did really like the LG. I love my Miele.

FWIW,
*LG is the market share leader in front load laundry in the U.S. for four years (16 quarters) running (2010 Stevenson TraQline data).
**LG is the most reliable brand in front load laundry in the U.S., according to a leading consumer magazine.

    Bookmark   June 21, 2011 at 5:31PM
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mamadadapaige

Very happy with my new washer and dryer! Thanks for all the advice... Was concerned about noise and vibration - concerns were unwarranted as even in full spin washer is so quiet and virtually no vibration. Is there a particular type of detergent people like? I am using Eco friendly liquid but somehow remember that is a no-no??

    Bookmark   July 5, 2011 at 11:19PM
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mielemaid

I wouldn't use a liquid detergent in Miele per what our Miele techs have said, also on this forum.

I use the European brands, my favorite is Persil. I have used the European Ariel (as opposed to the Mexican overly stinky one you can buy here in the USA) & I still like Persil better.

One thing I would also do is get Lenor and/or Vernel. I was using an Italian one that I loved but it does not compare to Lenor for a softener.

Nothing smells as good as Lenor and/or Vernel on your clothes for sure.

    Bookmark   July 6, 2011 at 12:05AM
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sandy808

I would try a Miele if you can afford one. The Whirlpool FL are just "O.K.".

    Bookmark   July 12, 2011 at 6:07PM
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livebetter

@mielemaid, why on earth would liquid detergent be a no no? Not only does Henkel (Persil) make liquid so do Miele themselves.

Miele's new IntelliQ machines, due out in Canada this year, automatically dispense liquid detergent (as do new machines in Germany).

When I spoke with Miele Canada about it (someone in head office not a CS rep) she said liquid is best for most things (disolves better than powder, doesn't leave residue like powder, is better at oily/greasy stains than powder).

I really hope people who read these "blanket statements" don't take them to heart but do some do diligence to find out themselves what's what.

    Bookmark   July 12, 2011 at 7:22PM
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sshrivastava

I don't see any problems with using liquid detergents in a Miele or any other machine. The key is to make sure you use enough. The danger of these forums is that people may read that they only have to use 1-2 TBSP per load, but that is for small Euro-size machines. The 4+ cuft machines need at least 3-4 TBSP, and that's with soft water and lightly soiled laundry. The manufacturer recommendations are a good place to start, adjust up or down based on cleaning and sudsing. Of course this is just my opinion based on my experience.

Another misnomer is that you shouldn't see suds during the wash, and if you do you are using too much detergent. Poppycock! You will see suds during the wash, you just don't want to see a thick foamy layer of suds on everything. But if you are using the proper amount of detergent, there will be some suds visible on the glass porthole or at the bottom of the door where the water collects.

    Bookmark   July 12, 2011 at 7:52PM
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mrb627

To further the above post, as water temperature goes up, liquid detergent dosing should go down.

Liquid laundry detergents tend to become super-foamy at hotter wash temperatures. I tend to take the recommended dosage to mean at cold wash temperature. Use less if washing in hot water.

In a washing machine with a heater, once the temperature of the water begins to exceed 120F, liquid detergents seem to EXPLODE like a killer souffle'.

Just my experience...

MRB

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 7:28AM
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sshrivastava

@ mrb627

+1

Liquid detergents become suds bombs at higher temps. I think they are great for cold and warm washes, but for anything over 120F (which most machines without an internal heater can't hit anyway) you will want to use a powder.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 10:30AM
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mrb627

I think over the next few years, you will begin to see the on board heaters disappear. We are slowly being forced to washing in cold water. One way they can do this is to begin making detergents that are incompatible with warmer temperatures.

But this is off topic...

MRB

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 1:41PM
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livebetter

@mrb627, are you insinuating a conspiracy between the detergent manufacturers and the machine manufacturers?

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 4:22PM
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fordtech

I think mrb is implying government intervention forcing us to go green.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 7:25PM
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sshrivastava

@ fordtech

Use of on-board heaters can be perfectly "green" as long as the power is coming from renewable sources. There is nothing wrong with government intervention in making appliances more efficient. I'm all for it.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 7:43PM
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asolo

"I think mrb is implying government intervention forcing us to go green."

Is there actually any debate left about that?

I'm for it, except.....early adopters certainly do pay through the nose. Observe the current lightbulb debate going on. I'm an "early adopter" of these things. They are so incredibly inferior there's really no room for debate. Yet I've paid hundreds for them over the past several years in my attempt to be a "good citizen". Now they're required....no alternative.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2011 at 8:52PM
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larsi_gw

Persil Color Gel and Universal Gel are made to be used from 20C to 90C. 90C is basically boiling. Persil Gels (liquids) do not become a sudsding bomb at higher temps. I have never tried Tide or any other American detergent at 90C, but when I had my small Miele 220V units, I used the "boil wash" program often with Persil Gel (liquid)....and ZERO sudsing problems!

    Bookmark   July 14, 2011 at 10:31AM
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sshrivastava

@ larsi

You don't need to try Tide HE liquid at 90C to have suds everywhere. All it takes is 60C.

    Bookmark   July 14, 2011 at 11:40AM
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cosmocat

if I wanted to try this Persil where would I buy it? Never heard of it so I've never looked for it.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2011 at 1:09PM
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