How long might my boiler last?

joslin99February 28, 2012

Hi everyone! I have a home built in 1900 into which a 2 pipe steam system was retrofit in the 20's. Other than the boiler which is a Burnham the system is original. The Burnham boiler was installed in 1985 and we had it inspected and a new water cut-off thingy (where it turns the boiler off if it is empty) installed in 2002. We routinely add and draw water out of the system to drain rust and yuck when the system runs in the winter but do nothing in the summer maintenance-wise.

When we had it looked at in 2002 the guy said that it looked like new and there wasn't much we needed to do to maintain such a system. Here it is 10 years later and I thought I'd check back in with some of you who may know and ask if there is anything we should be doing to prolong the life of our system.

This has cropped up on me b/c a plumber was here for something else and he told me that if we did have to get a new boiler we could no longer get one that worked when the power was out as ours now does since it is a termopile? thermocouple? type. That is of great concern to me since we usually have power outages in the winter when snow and ice down the lines (I live in Mass.)

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bus_driver

HVAC is not my trade. I have often suspected that fresh water is one of the places that a boiler gets additional oxygen to create additional rust. If a boiler was sealed so that no air could get in, and no water was ever added, it would seem that the only rust would be from the dissolved oxygen in the initial water fill and after that oxygen is captured in rust, no additional rusting would occur. But boilers apparently are not sealed.

    Bookmark   February 29, 2012 at 3:14PM
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mike_home

If there is no power, then how will the thermostat turn on the boiler when there is a call for heat?

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 9:11AM
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brickeyee

"We routinely add and draw water out of the system to drain rust and yuck "

You should try to NEVER add or remove water form a sealed hot water system.

Evey time you add new water it brings another load of oxygen to add to corrosion, and nitrogen to form bubbles in the system.

The old water may be stinky and look bad, but it has been de-oxygeneted and cannot cause any more rusting, and dissolved nitrogen has come out of solution.

You bleed out the nitrogen, and add some new water.
After a few cycles you do not add enough new water to release significant nitrogen.

From that point on the system just runs and should be left alone.
You do not need to do anything when it is not being used except make sure it never freezes.

It probably also has some oil in it from any circulation pump you are using. The oil will not hurt anything, and is just from bearing seals leaking.

One of the ways to 'clean' gasses and fluids is called 'gettering.'
A chemical (the 'getter') is placed in the sealed system to react with and remove the offending item.

Boilers do it by default.
Any oxygen in the water forms rust, and the oxygen is no longer available for further corrosion.

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 12:25PM
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mike_home

The OP stated it is a steam system. The radiators should have air vents in order to allow the steam to enter. It is an open system. You can't avoid adding water to this type of system.

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 2:35PM
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joslin99

My steam system is two pipe so I have one air vent in the basement by the boiler to purge the air out of the system until it comes up to full pressure.

Yes I must add water periodically as the system is not closed, at which time I draw water out.

My thermostat runs on batteries and kicks the heat off regardless of the power being on/off.

Thanks for the replies, does anyone know the lifespan of such a beast as this boiler? What may I reasonably expect to pay to replace it were it to die? It seems simple so maybe it is indefinitely repairable?

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 6:58PM
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mike_home

I would expect a boiler to last 25 - 30 years.

Your thermostat may have a battery in it, but I doubt it powers the control to your boiler.

Try this experiment. Shut off the main breaker in the house, and then push the thermostat up and see if the boiler fires.

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 11:31PM
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joslin99

I know that my thermostat runs (maybe magic?) when the power is out b/c we have had multiple long power outages during which the boiler cycled appropriately. I was told it was a "millivolt system" whatever that may mean.

    Bookmark   March 2, 2012 at 8:00AM
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mike_home

Well I learned something new today. There are furnaces and thermostats which operate on a millivolt system. The gas pilot heats up a thermopile in the furnace which creates a 0.7V DC voltage source. This powers the thermostat during a blackout. I assume the battery in the thermostat is powering the clock and any programmable functions.

Manufacturers have eliminated the standing pilot flame in order to achieve higher efficiency ratings. So if you ever had to replace the boiler, you would need to provide some other means of a electric supply backup. It is unfortunate since your present system is simple and reliable.

I grew up in a house with a one pipe steam system. Every spring I would flush the boiler until the water was clean. This kept the water in the sight glass crystal clear. Keep the water level in the proper range and the boiler should last for many years. It is difficult to say how much a replacement would be. I would expect a new boiler would be in the $4000 - $6000 range. I have no experience with boiler repair, so I can't advise you whether if it is even feasible.

    Bookmark   March 2, 2012 at 8:26AM
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SwimIn2012

Hi Joslin, We also have an old house with radiator heat. I think it is the best kind of heat. Very warm. Any way, we got a new boiler a few years ago - maybe 3 yrs. It cost $6,000 or $6,800 installed.(I can't remember exactly). It is a Dunkirk. I am sure we tried to do tons of research on boilers before we bought it, but I think that was very expensive. Our house is only 1800 sq ft. At the time all the advice I found on the internet said a boiler should cost between 2k and 4k if I remember correctly, but we could not find any at that price. (NY suburb - everything seems to be more expensive here!)

Our old boiler was 30 years old and still working, but we figured it was at the end of useful life and was somewhat inefficient, and had to be repaired the year before, so we thought it was time to replace it. We used to have a pilot light and never had to worry about the heat going off if there was a power outage. It was great. Now, if there is no electricity, there is no heat. There is also supposed to be a thing that controls the water level, but it does not work, so my husband has to check the water level every day or two. Every once in a while the heat goes off, since the water dissapears. We need to have them come back again for like the 10th time but keep putting it off. I sometimes wish we had never replaced it. Keep your old boiler for as long as you can!

    Bookmark   March 4, 2012 at 9:45PM
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joslin99

Thanks so much for all of your replies. I think this year I will hedge my boiler bet and get my asbestos removed from my pipes in anticipation of needing to replace it in the forseeable future.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2012 at 6:22PM
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