Riga sprats - food safety questions

wintercat_gwMarch 3, 2014

These sprats are smoked AND packed in oil. Does that create a sort of belt and suspenders protection?

I'm asking because I've made myself a sprats sandwich to have for lunch at work. It's about 7 hours from preparation this morning till lunchtime (I have a long commute by bus, and we're talking Israel time - I'm not in the US).

Will I live if I eat it?


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Them sprats aren't in the fridge, of course, but in my desk drawer at work.

    Bookmark   March 3, 2014 at 1:53AM
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Maybe. But, why didn't you put some kind of icepack in with it?

    Bookmark   March 3, 2014 at 3:54AM
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I didn't think it necessary and then I got the jitters.

I ate it anyway and survived, so it must be OK even without an icepack. Possibly the smoking makes it far safer.

    Bookmark   March 4, 2014 at 1:58AM
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Who smoked, you or the sprats?

    Bookmark   March 17, 2014 at 11:34AM
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To be honest, I'd eat that the next day as long as they didn't smell or taste off.

Heck, a couple years ago I made myself two chopped roast beef sandwiches with mayo on Thursday, took them out of the fridge on a Friday, carried them in a bus on Friday, carried them in a bicycle saddlebag on Saturday and Sunday, eating during the ride, and finished the second one on Sunday.

I believe that through repeated insults the body and gut get stronger.

That only applies to food you eat yourself. Guests deserve scrupulously safe food because they may not share the same philosophy, or gut microbes.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2014 at 12:02AM
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Well, I'm also conscious about the food I eat. I prefer fresh fruits and vegetables because they're healthy. I usually put leftover foods inside the refrigerator and reheat it the next day. When cooking, I use some techniques to preserve the foods and prevent it from spoilage. I fry a food or use salting technique. Smoking technique is also a good way to prolong the lifespan of the food. The most important thing is the food should be kept in a clean place to prevent contamination and spoilage.

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 4:18AM
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John, I think you have proved that you have an iron stomach.


    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 11:33AM
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I've heard that the buses in Israel are air conditioned now. I'm sure that helped...as did the fact that the sprats were tinned, to begin with. They work very hard to kill the micro-organisms when they pack them, and the ones you add while making your sandwich are mostly ones your system already knows.

John, if you used commercial mayonnaise, it was probably pasteurized. :) That helps a lot!

Rule for food service: No more than two hours out of the refrigerator or warmer. Danger Zone = 40ð-140ð F. or 4ð-60ð Celsius.

Rule for home use when to throw it out: Four hours out of the fridge. As I understand it, the two hour rule for food service is because of other factors that lead to contamination, and the breadth and variety of people eating. Don't feed 3.5 hrs. out of the fridge to your baby or the frail or elderly. Don't push it! Try to get food put away as soon as possible.

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 2:43PM
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Another gap in my education! What's a Riga Sprats? I googled it and it looked a lot like sardines to me. Does it (do they) taste like sardines?

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 4:56PM
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Just realized the thread's come alive.

John - LOL! Really enjoyed reading that!

plllog - busses in Israel have been airconditioned for years, but I still remember the time they weren't. Great improvement, though some drivers seem to try to freeze dry their passengers in summer.

bbstx - I, too, didn't know what Riga sprats were till we were flooded with sprat-loving Russian immigrants. Riga sprats don't taste remotely like sardines. They make a great appetizer and go very well with beer.

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 5:42AM
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So, Riga as in Latvia, right?

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 3:55PM
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plllog - right.

Sorry not to have replied earlier. Sprained my back, went on sick leave for 2 weeks. No computer at home, so no GW.

If I remember correctly, you're studying Hebrew. So here's soemthing lovely by way of compensation for unintentional rudeness.

Here is a link that might be useful: So Tender Is the Light

    Bookmark   July 7, 2014 at 2:46AM
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Here's a better link whre you can see them performing.

Here is a link that might be useful: Better Link

    Bookmark   July 7, 2014 at 2:55AM
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Glad to see you're back at work. It's a shame about your back. No rudeness. People pop in and out of online forums.

It's been decades since I studied Hebrew. :) I could manage about 40% of the words, and none of meaning of that song. :) It has the melodic structure of standard Israeli pop. Other than that, I have no clue. :) Would you mind filling us in about it?

    Bookmark   July 7, 2014 at 3:57AM
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I just did it into English for you. I'm also attaching a link to the original text.

Hebrew is far from being a melodious language. It really grates on my ears and I'm a native speaker. Amazing how soft they managed to make this song.


Night is over
Died into the light
The moon is falling down
Having been much too high
Like a pure baby
You're so far up there
Aren't you sad on your own?

So tender it is
So tender
Terror is crumbling down inside my heart
So tender it is
So tender
Love is waking up inside my heart

You're my sun
My hot fire
You're burning down
Alone in your pain

So tender it is

When the light turns blue
And even the moon, ashamed of a never-ending loneliness
Fades away so nobody can see

So tender it is the light, oh World
So tender it is
So tender
So tender is your light

Here is a link that might be useful: Original Text

    Bookmark   July 7, 2014 at 5:48AM
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So, okay, I really can read most of it, but your translation is much better for getting a sense of the poetry. When I was in college we read some modern Hebrew poetry, which was all about reducing it as much as possible to morphemes rather than separate words, and using words with similar shoreshes rather than rhyming. Works great for poetry, not so much for song, but this one is really pretty. Thank-you. Though One Fish Two Fish is very elegant in Hebrew, if I remember right, and it rhymes. :) Blessings to the translators!

I'm surprised you don't like the sound of Hebrew. English used to have velar fricatives (ÃÂ and ÃÂ with no dagesh (not that ÃÂ is pronounced in Hebrew anymore either)). You can see it in the spellings of lots of old words, and sometimes you can hear it in Scotland and Northern England still, but not much. I like a full range of sounds. :) Of course, I was reared more on the sweetness of Geula Gil than the power of Moshe Dyan. :)

Back to topic, I hope you've gotten a cooler bag for your lunches?

    Bookmark   July 7, 2014 at 7:19PM
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At first I thought i'd suggest moving over to Conversations, since we seem to be having one :)

Then I thought better of it & sent you an email on GW. Hope you received it.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2014 at 4:41AM
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