Leg hurting when old?

Konrad___far_northJanuary 28, 2014

My mother in law, [90 years old] is heaving pain in lower legs.
She is on lyrica right now, looks like circulation problem, legs don't have healthy skin, darkish red, just seen specialist today, couldn't figure out anything.

Any advise/remedy?

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d0ug

Try a warm bath with lots of epsom salts this will help the circulation. Dose she have a sugar problem? Also PEMF therapy I have a unit I made myself and works great if you want the schematics e-mail me

    Bookmark   January 28, 2014 at 9:42AM
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Konrad___far_north

Thanks Doug, .. epsom salt is a good suggestion. She has no sugar problem but only has one kidney since about 10 years ago. About 3 years ago it started all with swollen legs, then she was on antibiotics, off and on.
Thanks for the offer on the schematics,..lets see first what comes with bath.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 1:17AM
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Jellienne08

Does she have muscle cramps? This is common to elderly people. Gently stretch or massage lower leg muscle to ease the pain. Applying heat to tight muscles or cold may also ease some symptoms.
It may also be Shin splints. This type of lower leg pain occurs when there is inflammation in the tissues and muscles connection along the edge of the shin bone. You can apply cold compress and she can also wear supportive shoes.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 1:01AM
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d0ug

Most times there is nothing wrong with a kidney when they take it out but this is a filtering unit of the body and when the tiny blood vessels get plugged they take out the kidney. The little tubes in the kidney will only allow on cell at a time to pass through so what you need is to unplug the vessels. A sign of plugged vessels is high blood pressure because the kidney puts out a chemical to increase the blood flow in the kidneys. If the kidneys are not working you get a build up of fluid in the body and the doctors will start taking about dialysis.
If she has been on a lot of antibiotics it might be a good idea to a probiotic to replace the good bacteria in the digestion system that the antibiotic killed. After the use of antibiotic it is a good idea to restart your digestion system again.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 9:03AM
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Konrad___far_north

Thank you all!
Specialist thinks she has CellulitisâÂÂ, it actually looks like this, [see link]. She is on antibiotic, clindamycin for 3 month, skin has some improvement, doc. was scarred for high dose treatment because of kidney condition.

Here is a link that might be useful: Cellulitis

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 3:30PM
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Konrad___far_north

>>Does she have muscle cramps?No cramps,..thank you.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 3:34PM
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mdln

Has peripheral vascular disease been considered, and an ABI & ultrasound been performed? Would see a cardiologist, as PVD is a blood vessel disease.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 3:57PM
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Konrad___far_north

Thank you mdln!
We don't think so, peripheral seems to be in the lower foot, her's goes up to the knee.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 7:08PM
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mdln

PVD involves the legs & feet and may be either venous or arterial. I commonly see it involving tissue up to the knees.

Here is a link that might be useful: PVD information

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 9:14PM
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d0ug

If it is caused by bacteria than use colloidal silver spray on the skin and keep it wet. It will clear it up very rapidly.

    Bookmark   February 2, 2014 at 1:18PM
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mdln

@d0ug - with that advice, I hope your medical malpractice insurance premiums are paid up. I would be concerned about MRSA, sepsis & septic shock.

Here is a link that might be useful: cellulitis info

    Bookmark   February 2, 2014 at 3:35PM
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Konrad___far_north

Thank you all!
I'll look in these several avenues...the more the better!

    Bookmark   February 2, 2014 at 8:21PM
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d0ug

@mdin
I have had cases of MRSA and they talked about surgery and with silver it went away. They used silver for years before drugs became popular and now drugs don't work.

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 10:25AM
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dreamgarden

I would like to suggest that you try epsom salt baths and vitamin C (ascorbic acid). You might also want to investigate the side effects of her lyrica prescription a bit more closely.

Best of luck. Stay warm up there!

Links that might be useful:

www.vitamincfoundation.org/

www.livestrong.com/article/369978-foods-that-help-you-recover-from-cellulitis/

www.healthboards.com/boards/infectious-diseases/837612-helpful-hint-mrsa-skin-infections.html

neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread192315.html

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 10:58PM
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Konrad___far_north

Doug,
how would you keep that water solution colloidal silver spray on the leg wet?
I was researching this a bit and it looks like there are lotion with higher parts per million, [around 27], might be a better Joice, one can get it on amazon, [high ratings for all kinds of things].

Thank you dreamgarden!
Just got a jug of epsom salt,..it'll be any day now for a start.
I'll keep warm...lots of snow this winter.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 12:10AM
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mdln

@d0ug - actually when I was in school, we used silver based products in the burn unit. However, recent evidence/research shows it is not effective - so we no longer use it.

Kidney funtion should be monitored when using it.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 1:11AM
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d0ug

If you wet a gauze and place it over the infected area. I used it on a paper towel and then used a stretch bandage to keep it in place.
You can make your own colloidal silver for pennies the cost is in getting the pure silver and distilled water if you make it do not use salt even if some web sites say so because anyone having problems with silver made it that way.
Here is a website for information I am not recommending his machine because all you need is a 12v battery. There are many testimonials. A doctor was at my house yesterday and left with three bottles of silver to run his own tests in the hospital.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 6:36AM
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d0ug

@ mdin
The burn units are still using silver. The pharmaceutical have been trying to discredit silver for years. Follow the money web sites like web MD are founded by the drug companies. I have a freedom of information request that was sent to the FDA asking how many people died and allergic reaction they have on record for colloidal silver the reply said they have no cases. NASA uses silver impregnated filters in the air and water on the space station. There has been many clinical studies on silver all showing good results.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 7:12AM
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mdln

Sorry, I do not use sites like WebMD, designed for lay persons.

The burn unit at my place (major metropolitan level 1 trauma center) and all others I know of are NOT using it.

Cochrane Review is evidence based:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006478.pub2/abstract

Even Wikipedia has gotten the info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_sulfadiazine

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 9:43AM
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sushipup1

mdln, don't bother wasting your time, or coming to this forum for real medical/scientific information. Sigh.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 10:29AM
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d0ug

Sorry to hear you burn unit dose not use silver but here is some scientific based information if you care to read.
http://discoverynews.us/DISCOVERY%20MUSEUM/SciencePavilion/Colloidal_Silver.html

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health has 5,354 entries on colloidal silver
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=colloidal+silver

List of hospitals that are using silver bandages
http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=893

Colloidal silver bandages
http://www.naturalhealingtools.com/colloidal-silver-bandages.aspx

Curad and Band-Aid are coming out with silver bandages
http://wounds1.com/news/mainstory.cfm/49/1

Bandages infused with silver
http://www.cummings.com/articles/nucryst.htm

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 10:21AM
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mdln

@ sushipup -

Thank you for your comment about "wasting my time." The GW webmaster encouraged individuals to not just take information - but to add to the knowledge base of the site.

I am very indebted to the experts who generously contribute to the home forum; they have a vast amount of knowledge that I do not have and have helped me enormously.

Since my area of expertise is medicine, I thought I would "give back" by contributing in this forum. In health care the goal is to practice evidence-based medicine, based on high quality research findings, not just one individuals personal experience.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 11:10AM
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sushipup1

Thanks for the reason and real information, mdln. If you can counter the horrible false "advice" floating around this forum, you're contributing greatly. I just hate to have you wear yourself out by butting up against a "true-believer".

I agree, you are correct, the bad advice needs to be countered.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 2:04PM
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d0ug

At one time all science agreed that the sun rotated around the earth and anyone that said no was crazy. Then a paradigm shift happened
At one time all science agreed that the world was flat anyone disagreed was crazy. Then a paradigm happen
Now they all kneel at the alter of medicine science and when they are proven wrong they are consider crazy.
Now the medical system can not cure heart burn they manage the symptoms with the blue pill.
They can not cure arthritis but give you a metallic part.
They can not cure diabetes but they can take your money for your whole life.
They can not cure obesity but they can staple your stomach.
They can do nothing for muscular dystrophy but give you drugs to control symptoms and wheel chairs.
All these ailments have been handled easily by alterative medicine.
USA has the most advanced medical science in the world and the sickest people in the world. US spend more money than the all other industrial countries put together.
How good was all this science if they canâÂÂt help anyone?
In the future when we have naturopath doctors and alterative healing given an equal footing with equal rights. There will be a paradigm shift.
We will look back and call this medical madness and say it was worst than witchcraft

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 7:11PM
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Konrad___far_north

mdln, don't bother wasting your time, or coming to this forum for real medical/scientific information. Sigh.

Why then you come here?.. and insult?

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 12:44AM
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Konrad___far_north

Dr. Oz father in law, [Heart surgeon] is promoting Colloidal Silver
[see video in link]

Mother in law had leg bath with Epsom salt, she say's it feels good, hopefully she can do it about every 2 or 3 day's, ..thank you Doug!

Here is a link that might be useful: Colloidal Silver - What does Dr. Oz think about Colloidal Silver?

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 1:01AM
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d0ug

I glad that your mother in law is doing good. If you want information on silver e-mail me

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 2:46PM
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raee_gw

We do still use silver- impregnated dressings for some wounds. Aquacel Ag for an example.

If your MIL has breaks in her skin, ulcers or wounds, it is reasonable to use a silver dressing, but you can get pre-made, sterile dressing or ointment to use instead of concocting your own.

If the skin is intact, then no need to apply silver I believe. The goal now is to keep the skin intact. Cellulitis is not a surface infection, it is in the tissue below the skin surface. Breaks in the skin allow it to get in (and the bacteria can migrate to that area from other parts of the body too). Keep the skin moisturized and supple with a good lubricant (like lanolin) but not sitting in wet; if she has chronic swelling, ask her doctor about good support hose.

There are chronic skin changes that occur with peripheral vascular disease, the skin can become chronically red or purple, rough, scaley, even hard and corrugated, and the lower legs swollen. And, yes, these changes can be in the entire lower leg, not just the feet. It can often look like cellulitis when there is actually not an infection (one clue -- if the redness and warmth decrease or go away when the legs are elevated about the heart, it might not be cellulitis).

People who have PVD, who have had cellulitis before, or who are obese are prone to have cellulitis in the legs over & over.

I am wondering about the pain, Konrad, does she have it always even when her legs seem to be okay? or do her legs always look like cellulitis? PVD will cause chronic pain, and believe it or not walking is recommended, if she can, but it takes a while to have positive effect. A specialist in PVD (not just any cardiologist or vascular surgeon) is a good idea.

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 3:44PM
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Jellienne08

The symptoms of peripheral artery disease depend upon the location and extent of the blocked arteries. The most common symptom of peripheral artery disease muscle pain while walking or moving and relieve when at rest. Complications of peripheral artery disease include sores that do not heal or infections in the extremities. In rare cases, amputation may be necessary.

    Bookmark   February 27, 2014 at 10:40PM
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