Pouring Cement Floor in Existing Shed -- Help

PinesEverywhereJune 7, 2012

I have a shed that was a pigeon coop years ago. Most shed-owners in my neighborhood think it is structurally sound and I agree. However, I would like to update it from just garden/tool storage to a place for heavier equipment and I want to minimize unwanted critter entry under the now wood flooring. Is it possible to do the following for this 32 x 9 structure versus tearing the whole thing down and starting over:

- remove the existing flashing/aluminum skirting around the base perimeter that is affixed to the T1 siding

- dig around the existing perimeter to investigate the footings and lower support rails, see if there are cement support blocks blah, blah,

- Remove a large 6' Window and cut T1 out to create new wide door opening and access for cement guys

Can cement be poured by professionals if I do all the above? Also, if anybody knows, will I compromise the integrity of the structure if I do this?

Trying to save $$ and not tear the thing down. Next post I'll attempt to upload some photos. Thanks in advance.

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PinesEverywhere

I figured out how to post a photo. This goes with my above plea for advice. This is my pigeon coop shed that needs a makeover and cement floor.

    Bookmark   June 7, 2012 at 7:10AM
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johnc777

What is the shed sitting on now? Is there any kind of foundation?

Once you start this project, modern building codes will come into play. Have you checked with your local building code folks?

    Bookmark   June 7, 2012 at 8:22AM
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PinesEverywhere

Good point on the building codes -- I hadn't thought about that but I better check -- that's a biggie.

I really don't know what the shed is sitting on now other than looking thru holes in the existing floor thru which I see the vertical posts going into the ground. I haven't started tearing things apart yet because I don't want even more of a critter problem than I already have UNLESS I have a PLAN to fix or destroy.

I will look, however, I'm a chick and a little timid about varmints that carry rabies. I'll suit up, tear away some skirting and report back.

Thanks John -- anyone else please chime in.

    Bookmark   June 7, 2012 at 11:27AM
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mike_kaiser_gw

Many municipalities will let small (~100 sq. ft.) outbuildings sit on the ground or on just a concrete slab. Bigger buildings often require a "real" foundation and the structure tied to the foundation just like with a house. Generally speaking, larger remodeling projects require adherence to current building codes.

I can't see it being cost effective to try and build a foundation system under the existing coop. Nor would pouring a concrete slab inside it's perimeter make much sense.

You can do some digging and see what's below the shed, although you may need to a hire a qualified professional to evaluate whatever you find.

I wouldn't worry about critters too much. Do lots of banging first and they should leave.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2012 at 8:39AM
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PinesEverywhere

Thanks for the additional comments and questions. I did manage to pull off an edge of the skirting and was very disappointed. It looks as if this "thing" of shed is sitting on cross-beams (6 x 12 or something) -- see picture.

These have been sitting in the ground for at least 20 years (my estimation and based on the previous ownership). Ugg -- I think it needs to come down! Now I'm worried it could topple. What farmer would build such a large coop on a wooden frame?

    Bookmark   June 9, 2012 at 5:59AM
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PinesEverywhere

Mike, to your other questions (thanks again by the way) ... I am trying to establish a nice place for the Garden Tractor and other tools. We have 2.5 acres and a long ranch style home. If the existing "coop" was upgradeable, I would love to have done that to produce something like the below image (very similar to our setting). Due to the weight, size (and value) of the Garden Tractor, I wanted a secure structure to store it in (thus the concrete foundation, stable vertical supports and cross-beams, etc.)

Now I think a tear down of the coop is in order (which will be a mess) plus the cost of the new mini-garage. For this kind of investment, I may just put the new structure at the end of the home itself as a detached garage. I don't know. Back to the DRAWING BOARD as they say!!

Thanks again gentlemen and any other readers.

    Bookmark   June 9, 2012 at 6:17AM
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mike_kaiser_gw

They used timbers because that's what they had and/or it was the cheapest/easiest way to build the coop. Remember this was for birds, not people. Wood isn't a bad choice but a layer of crushed stone helps with drainage, just like with railroad tracks.

You may want to get someone in to evaluate the structure; it could have many years of useful life left in it.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2012 at 7:46AM
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PinesEverywhere

I will get a real evaluation Mike -- thanks for the interest. The whole thing is kind of creepy but the birds have been long gone and it's been cleaned out several times. It does serve as a handy storage for light items and if "safe" .... I could use it for some time yet (you are correct). I'd even paint the thing and put some yard art on the long side (for my neighbors viewing). Ha ha.

I have a smaller shed that was a coop too but has been redone once into a potting shed of sorts (much cuter, standard shape, door windows, shake siding). I'm tackling that now (it is easier and empty). I'll probably have some questions and photos too coming up on that project -- stay tuned shed enthusiasts!!

Enjoy the weekend -- thanks again.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2012 at 9:27AM
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PinesEverywhere

I will get a real evaluation Mike -- thanks for the interest. The whole thing is kind of creepy but the birds have been long gone and it's been cleaned out several times. It does serve as a handy storage for light items and if "safe" .... I could use it for some time yet (you are correct). I'd even paint the thing and put some yard art on the long side (for my neighbors viewing). Ha ha.

I have a smaller shed that was a coop too but has been redone once into a potting shed of sorts (much cuter, standard shape, door windows, shake siding). I'm tackling that now (it is easier and empty). I'll probably have some questions and photos too coming up on that project -- stay tuned shed enthusiasts!!

Enjoy the weekend -- thanks again.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2012 at 10:18AM
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