Who has the best prices for Hancock & Moore sofas?

daytradeJune 14, 2007

Can someone tell which store has the best prices for Hancock & Moore leather sofas?

I'm interested in the 4354 Sloane Sofa

4106 Member Apartment Size Sofa

And also the 1903 Member Apartment Size Sofa

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

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tocohillsguy

Duane C,

What class leather is Kippling Saddle? I recently purchased a Sloane Sofa in Berkshire Harness. Was the Berkshire Harness sold as part of a married program? Has H&M had any quality issues with its married program? I like the styling of the Sloane Sofa (and enjoy mine), but suspect it is less expensive to produce due to the stitched back which allows for multiple hide pieces instead of a single hide. Out of curiosity do any of the H&M sofas have a soft spring edge or is the frame simply padded in all of their styles?

    Bookmark   June 18, 2007 at 5:14PM
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dcollie

"Kipling Saddle" is classed as a Grade 2 hide.

"Berkshire Harness" has been part of the Married Cover program in the past, and is still a promotional hide on some current frames as well.

You are correct, that a 'stitched back' sofa is easier to make than one like their 'Journal' sofa that uses one large hide for the back cushion.

Any "Married Cover" program from any supplier has issues. The reason being its only as good as the quality control at the point of manufacture. Granted, I am rather picky (so I'm told by my suppliers) and I see a lot of faults with M/C items that perhaps the average customer might not. Little things that are cosmetic in nature such as location of a welt trim butt, or a brand in the hide that is visible, or more commonly a chair/ottoman combination where there is a noticeable dye lot variance.

Most H&M sofas have soft spring edge, but not all. A few have a hard spring edge.

-Duane

    Bookmark   June 19, 2007 at 10:34AM
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tocohillsguy

Wonder if my Sloane was part of the Married Cover program or if the store simply ordered a sofa in that leather. Interesting about the soft spring edge. When I was looking at Bradington Young sofas none of them had a spring edge, and the dealer down played the importance of this feature. Likewise when I was looking at Hancock and Moore sofas none had a spring edge. Perhaps I was seeing a store inventory of less expensive sofas where the spring edge is omitted?

    Bookmark   June 19, 2007 at 11:47AM
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dcollie

I can't recall if the Sloane was part of the M/C program or not. I don't keep expired promotion sheets around to avoid confusion with current ones, sorry.

H&M is moving towards soft spring edges on their pieces, but not every one has them.. They don't make a 'lesser' frame within a model series, however.

I also am a B-Y dealer (have been for 20 years). H&M is a superior product (possibly the very best in the category) with immaculate tailoring, however B-Y is less expensive in a similar hide. Both have their niche.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2007 at 2:21PM
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tocohillsguy

Duane C,

Thank you for the information. I take it by your reply that B-Y does not have a spring edge on any of its sofas. Although the Sloane omits a spring edge apparently most H&M styles do have the spring edge (although I've never seen one). I certainly don't think of the Sloane sofa as being cheap in construction or price, but where do you believe it falls in the H&M lineup? BTW, I noticed that some trade organization awarded the Sloane sofa an honorable mention (or something to that effect) for leather sofas.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2007 at 4:01PM
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tangerine_z6

For those of you in the know, how does $2699 sound for a Meadows Sofa (1297) with "Cavalier" leather, or $2999 with "Document" leather? The model I saw on the floor in "Bison" was $2399 and I noticed the word married on the tag. I asked the sales girl what married meant because I couldn't remember what I had read here but she gave me a convoluted, no-information sort of answer. Oh, to be 24. At any rate, I found the Meadows sofa very much to my liking and want to own one!

    Bookmark   June 27, 2007 at 4:37PM
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notsosure

I too, am looking for a Hancock and Moore sofa (City 9840, Evening or Harbison).
What exactly are the differences between the "Married Program" and the "Town and Country Prgram" ? Are these town and country hides now sewn in the same place as non program hides?
I know that if you buy a program city sofa (ie, cavalier henna or cavalier mocha) it is 55% off. If you buy a city sofa from the cavalier samples other than henna and mocha it is 50% off. If you buy a city sofa in another class 2 leather or a class any other leather the dealer that I spoke to would give you 37% off. So someone at H&M, by way of their pricing is strongly suggesting you buy something cavalier. I understand that with an Austin sofa you can pick cavalier or document. But the question is are these program hides sewn in the Pacific Rim ? Are these chinese hides? Does anyone know?

    Bookmark   June 27, 2007 at 5:13PM
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tangerine_z6

Notsosure...if you search this forum for Hancock and Moore you will come across several very helpful threads about the "Married Cover" program. Here's hoping we both get lucky and become new H&M owners.

    Bookmark   June 27, 2007 at 5:41PM
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dcollie

Its all very confusing right now on H&M pricing, since things just completely changed three weeks ago. Some dealers are probably slow to move to the new programs and have old program stock on the floor, so its hard to say whats a good deal or not.

I have moved 100% into the new program and updated my sales materials and can tell you that the # 1297 sofa is not part of the new TOWN and COUNTY promo.

Pricing varies and its all over the board. While the old Married Cover program is defunct, there are still married covers in the Town and Country program (hows that for confusing?)

Married cover means the hide is sourced and cut, and sewn overseas and then shipped to the USA in kit form, to be upholstered in the North Carolina factory. There can be quality control issues on married cover programs from any maker, but it offers the lowest price. Frames do not vary, its all in the hide.

This new program is very hard for even the dealers to figure out, because a promo piece might have four price categories to it. In fact, I am the only one at my store that can price H&M ! For example:

The Austin Tilt Back Chair (2032NB)

$ 1,199 in Cavalier Blue or Oxblood or Document Chestnut
$ 1,369 in any other Cavalier leather
$ 1,539 in any other Document leather

Then on top of that you have your regular graded leathers in classes 1 through 4 which will have different price points.

The $ 1,199 price is a married cover, the others are all 100% USA made (note, these are my store prices and you will not see them in other retailers).

OK, at the end of the day, get the one that has the hide on it that you like. Amortized over the life of the piece, you're talking the cost of a dinner out per year to get the one you really want. If you happen to like the Married covers, then that's great. But if you really like the one thats $ 300 more, then over 20 years that works out to $ 15 a year to have that one.

Good luck!
Duane

    Bookmark   June 28, 2007 at 6:32PM
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tangerine_z6

Duane...thanks for the update and the wealth of information you have posted regarding furniture.

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 8:14AM
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notsosure

I am now hearing about a Designer's Choice Program.
Anyone familiar with it?

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 10:10AM
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dcollie

'Designer's Choice' is the name that Hancock and Moore gave to the new promotional program until early-May, then they changed the name to 'Town and Country'. They used this name at the April Market, hence the confusion.

There is only one promotional program from Hancock and Moore and its "Town and Country". Its a very broad, complex and sweeping program, and has about 160 items in it.

I've been selling three leather brands in my store, H&M, Leathercraft and Bradington-Young since the early 80's. When I buy leather for my own personal use in my home, I rarely buy any promo leathers (yes, I have to pay for my pieces just like you!), because the custom off-the-handle hides are just so much richer in color and feel, that its worth the extra money to have those pieces in those hides.

While price is always important - we all like a bargin - don't rule out the non-promotional pieces. Chances are you'll be much happier with it and enjoy it long after the price paid is forgotten. Shop the whole line before you make a decision.

-Duane

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 11:07AM
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notsosure

I am considering document, savannah, rancho in the 2.
I have not seen any threes yet to know. My big issue is that whatever grade it is it needs to compliment my Stickley Mission cushions which are a Grade 3 Hand antiqued leather in Premium Merlot. Cavalier oxblood works (in a sample to actual cushion comparison) but I have not taken the cushion and compared any others. I do not want the sofa to have the hand antiqued look... I just want it to compliment the Stickley. Stickley wood dominates their furniture so the cushions are a secondary consideration.
I think that the programs are good but I am not "married" to them. The Evening Sofa which I am considering is not in the program. Neither is the large City Sofa or the Harbison. The only one which is--is the 9840 City Sofa. But I will not base my decision solely on price.
I want to love the leather and my first consideration is color, hand, then not shiny.

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 3:25PM
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dcollie

OK, here's the dirty little secret of the leather business.

Dye lots vary HUGELY. Often by several shades. So you cannot focus on the samples in the stores for accurate colors, especially in the finer (aniline) leathers.

The way I do this with my customers is to take your Stickley leather that you already have, and send a cutting or a seat cushion to Hancock and Moore and let them cull through all their hides to come up with the best match. They then tag that specific hide group for you and you'll be in business. This has been - by far - the most successful way to get a match to existing pieces.

I can almost guarantee that if you pick off the handles, what you will get in won't be even close to a match, hand and gloss level.

Duane

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 5:27PM
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notsosure

Wow. If I send them my cushion...what will I sit on? LOL.
That is very good information.

I am not necessarily looking to match it. I just don't want it to be a different color altogether(dark red vs burgundy). So it sounds like the only thing to do is to send the cushion.

My default position is to order a green or a brown and stay away from the dark burgundys altogether. Which is probably the safest thing to do.

I appreciate the information, Duane.

    Bookmark   June 29, 2007 at 6:44PM
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dcollie

My pleasure! Most leather pieces have a small leather 'flag' sewn to the base deck, and you just cut that off and send that in for the color match. If there is no flag, then unzip your seat cushion and pull out the insert - ship only the casing with a request for a fast turnaround.

Good luck!
Duane

    Bookmark   June 30, 2007 at 12:25PM
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smarge

DCollie -

We are in the market for a leather sleeper sofa. My husband wants it to be extremely comfortable for sitting/lounging in. The sleeper sofa is only for the occassional overnight guest, when our guest BR is already occupied.

After an extensive online "education" we thought we'd buy an AL, and then sat on their best leather sleeper sofa and it was like sitting on wood (their wooden sleeper support is about 3 inches under the soft-looking "cushions". Very stiff feel and not comfortable at all. (Their leather sofa w/out sleeper was very comfy, however, with nice full-sized, thick cushions!)

Anyway, now that AL is ruled out, I am "sold", by your wonderful, helpful posts on GW, on H&M. However, I did not see a retailer link on their website! I live in NJ and would very much like to sit on an actual sleeper before making the investment.

My husband likes the look of the Kent Chesterfield, and I'd love to know where we can go see and sit in one and also check out other H&M furniture.

Can you please point me to a list of local retailers? (Of course, if they are not competitive with your store's pricing, I'm not afraid of ordering over the phone with a helpful retailer such as yourself! I do want to touch and see before we buy, however. Where is your store, btw?)

    Bookmark   September 21, 2008 at 3:06PM
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smarge

Thanks mccall.

Any idea where I can find a list of H&M retailers, anyone?

    Bookmark   September 22, 2008 at 8:27PM
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ninjagirlz

I'm thinking that it might be less expensive to buy a Hancock & Moore Seville Sofa (Model #9682) RATHER THAN to purchase an old one that needs new leather all around (except on the back of the sofa). Can any one point me to a list of retailers in NC & CA who price out their H&M sofa's competively?

Thanks!

    Bookmark   June 1, 2009 at 3:45AM
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smarge

ninjagirlz - Just yesterday I ordered a leather H&M sleeper sofa from www.anniesfurniture.com, a retailers I found recommended on gardenweb. Nick gave me such a competitive price that I stopped looking. Two local NJ retailers (Safavieh and Valley Furniture) quoted me prices that were $1,000 more than my quote from Annies!

I won't be able to comment on the delivery, service etc. until I get my sofa in 10-12 weeks, but will try to remember to do so for others.

Also, I am willing to bet that it is cheaper to buy new than to get something reupholstered in leather. I just had this discussion with the lady who makes my window treatments that it'd be cheaper for me to toss out my old/worn, but perfectly functional and comfy love seat and buy a new one, than to pay her to reupholster the one I have!

Not exactly a "green" option, but the fact is we'll be buying a new love seat!

    Bookmark   July 7, 2009 at 1:57PM
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jwe4445

Can anyone tell me who has the best prices on Handcock and Moore leather sofas?

    Bookmark   April 6, 2011 at 9:10AM
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lizzard2you

I don't know if they were the absolute cheapest, but we bought a H&M sofa and chair from Jarrettsville Furniture a couple of months ago. Customer service was great! I can dig up the exact style and prices if you are interested...

http://jarrettsvillefurniture.com/

    Bookmark   April 8, 2011 at 6:57PM
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MLangford08

Anyone have a update price on the H&M settlement sofa? We are getting ready to move into our house. Really in love with this set. Have not got a chance to sit on one. Want to get a idea what i'm looking at. See if my hubby is willing to pay the $$$$ for excellent quality of furniture.

    Bookmark   December 1, 2011 at 5:03PM
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EliteFurniture

Mr. Collier adding a service charge to credit card purchases is against credit card regulations & you can be fined up to $5000 for this.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2011 at 1:04PM
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Nate19270

Any suggestions on how/where to sell a Hancock and Moore 9010 Tarleton Sofa and 9008 Chair/Ottoman. This is a classic style and I love it, but my wife is redecorating for a more contemporary look. It's too nice/expensive to give away. It is Navy Blue Leather and could be mistaken for a year or two old, despite the fact that it is about 15 years old. Also, no idea what to ask for it. I think it was about $7K new for all three pieces?

    Bookmark   December 27, 2011 at 5:29PM
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MsSusan

We got our Rugby sofa in a beautiful grade 3 burnished from The Englishman's Interiors. Their designer was kind enough to send us wood samples and everything. I shopped around and they without a doubt provide the best combination of price, service and delivery.

Here is a link that might be useful: Englishman's Interiors

    Bookmark   December 13, 2012 at 11:59AM
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KG19

MsSusan,

Did you find your Rugby sofa to be comfortable? I'm looking at that one too.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2013 at 8:11PM
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freethinker99

I have never heard of The Englishmen's Interiors but it looks like a nice store. I was actually looking at a Rugby sofa in Document leather the other day and I thought it was very sharp. I was thinking about contacting Green Front for some prices. We also thought we would take a trip to their store in VA to look at what they had. I have heard that shopping at Green Front is an experience. Nothing fancy kind of jumbled but a good selection and good prices.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 8:21AM
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