Gas range decision 30' 6years old DCS or new Bertazzoni?

cdut1981October 17, 2012

Hi,

We we're lolling to purchase the bertazzoni 30 all gas range, but then somebody ofer us a used DCS all gas, warming drawer, back splash plus the DCS vent hood

is there any reason why I shouldn't go with the dcs?

do they change something overtime?

any help would be really appreciated as we are new to gas

thanks

Carl

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weissman

I've had a DCS for 10 years and love it but I'd be wary about buying a 6 year old used range. You might be fine but you might be inheriting someone else's problem. Do you know the seller well and why they're getting rid of it. How much are they asking for the used range - if it's more than about 25% of a new one, I'd definitely pass - otherwise you can choose to take the risk.

    Bookmark   October 17, 2012 at 3:43PM
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cdut1981

I don't know him somebody told me about it.
he is asking 2500$ for the kit.. we were looking to pay around 3k and there is not a lot of option around that price...

thanks for your comment

Carl

    Bookmark   October 17, 2012 at 4:07PM
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Nunyabiz1

you could buy a new NXR for $2000 that is at least as good if not better than either one.

    Bookmark   October 17, 2012 at 7:51PM
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cdut1981

Thanks for the nxr suggestion!
But from what I can find, seem that you either get a lemon or a good one , but all thread seem to be older...
I'm a bit affraid about it... The berta seem to win for me so far....

    Bookmark   October 17, 2012 at 9:26PM
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Nunyabiz1

You can say the exact same thing about every single stove made in the past 50 years, either get a lemon or a good one.
But I see so very few complaints on the NXR, less than most other stoves.

Nothing wrong with the Berta though as long as you don't mind an Easy Bake oven they seem to be pretty well made and don't cost an arm and a leg.

    Bookmark   October 18, 2012 at 10:11AM
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jwvideo

>>>"But from what I can find, seem that you either get a lemon or a good one , but all thread seem to be older..."I'm not understanding this comment. Did you mean: (1) that all the NXR threads are older; or (2) all the theads about NXR lemons are older; or (3) that there is a high probability of getting a lemon (as with Viking in some recent years)?

If #1 was what you meant, there must be something wrong with the GW search engine because there are two active and long-running NXR threads here with postings as recent as last weekend.

If # 2 was what you meant, I'm guessing you are referring to the two older postings -- in longer threads --- from NX buyers who had problems with flaking oven enamel. A third person posted a youtube video. That's pretty much it. A couple of NXR users (StacyNeil and DirtyBloomers) have had an oven glow-bar ignitor wear out, but that is an inexpensive, readily available, user-installable part. Apparently, the oven circuits on earlier models were trying too hard to maintain a perfectly even oven temp and so were cycling on so frequently that they could wear out the glow-bar ignitor. Stacy reported that there is a fix for that on older models and the models since 2011 (DRGB models) do not cycle as frequently. This allows a bit more latitude on heating. Right now, the oven in my 2012 NXR DRGB3001 seems to allow a +/- 10 F temperature variance before activating or shutting off the burner. My previous stove, a GE dual fuel, would go as low as 40F below the set temp before kicking back on and would go as much as 20F above before cycling off. This seems to be common on many residential ranges.

If the # 3 point is what was intended, that would be incorrect. Basically, the NXRs are like old-fashioned gas stoves dressed up with a "pro-style" look and supplied with the minimal updates of a convection fan for the oven, an infrared in-oven broiler, spark ignitors for the burners, and a re-ignitor circuit in case a low-flame burner blows out. There just is not much to go wrong. Any component that could fail over time is a readily available, off-the shelf part. User serviceable, if you are so inclined.

To be sure, that old-fashioned simplicity can be as much a disadvantage as a benefit, depending on what you want from your stove. While some will see the lack of electronics as an advantage for durability, others may want the flexibility and features that come from integrated circuits. Multiple convection modes, for example, and oven self cleaning functions.

Others may want a more polished look to their stove. The NXR is pretty basic and a plain piece of work. It is not as pretty as a Bertazonni nor, for that matter, the DCS.

And this brings me back to your original question about whether to get the 6-year old DCS with a backsplash, a DCS warming drawer, and DCS range hood for $2500.

I will echo Weissman's questions.

Why is the seller disposing of this rig? Has it been troublesome or has the owner maybe decided to go for an even bigger kitchen remodel with larger stuff? Is this a divorce or estate sale?

Has the equipment already been removed or can you check it out to be sure everything is operating to your satisfaction?

Check out the burner caps and components. Make sure they are not corroded or rusting.

What model is the stove? My recollection is that DCS had two 30-inch models, the 304 and 305. One had convection and (I think) self-cleaning and the other did not. The non-convection one is probably easier to work on if it needs service and probably easier to fix (as with the NXR).

How big is the range hood? The rule of thumb for rangehoods is that you want them to extend three inches or so beyond the sides of your stove. IOW, it is preferable to have a 36-inch hood for a 30-inch stove. A 30-inch hood over a 30-inch stove will work but will not work as well as a wider hood because steam and etc. can flow out to the sides. How much cleaning will have to be done before you install it in your place. What size venting does it use? How deep and how tall is it? Will you have to modify or remove existing cabinets? If you already have a venthood, will the DCS hood fit with the existing installation?

If you do not get this array of stuff, what do you plan for a range-hood if you get the Berta? Do you have an existing range hood?

How much cleaning needs to be done? Who will remove the equipment from the owner's place (if it is not already removed.) How will you get the equipment moved and installed?

Have you checked on parts availability? If not, I suggest you get the stove model number and see what SearsPartsDirect carries and what (if anything) is no longer available.

In the area where you live, is there anybody who sells and//or services DCS appliances. I suggest calling them up an see if they will tell you anything about parts availability and the need for service on this year and model of stove. Maybe they can give you a sense of market values for the array of stuff being offered.

    Bookmark   October 18, 2012 at 1:31PM
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weissman

I can answer a few questions - the 304 is a really old model - my DCS is an RGSC 305 and it's 10 years old. There are different models of the 305 - S, T, or U, I think. My model (S) has 4 16K and 1 17.5K burners but the newer models have some smaller burners. As far as parts, Fisher Paykel which now owns DCS maintains a parts inventory for at least 10 years - I bought baffles for my hood from them a few years ago.

I strongly agree with JWVideo, check out the range in action if you can.

    Bookmark   October 18, 2012 at 1:50PM
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