Bluestar Ignitors and Burners

MattNJ186September 24, 2013

I have read the posts on the ignitor cost issue ($22 plus high shipping). Anyone find an alternative that works? None of the prior post had a painless solution. I have a bad ignitor and assuming they will fail again, so was looking for a cost effective alternative.

Also, I was considering increasing my 15K burner to 22K. It appears after extensive research, you cannot get the parts (burner and orifice) because Bluestar does not want consumers to perform this simple upgrade and want them to purchase the more expensive range. I have found the burner, but not the orifice. Was considering getting a .47 drill bit and doing myself. Has anyone done this before? I am sure the everything else on the orfice is the same but the only difference being the hole diameter. Comments/suggestions?

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philwojo99

See this video from a past member on how he did his upgrade from 15k to 22k burners on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVMXNqCSBmo

Hope this helps with at least that question.

Phil

P.S. - Looks like GW decided to not allow HTML links any more in the posts, so I can't make that link work directly, sorry.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVMXNqCSBmo

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 10:09AM
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gtadross_gw

i've searched and searched and couldn't find any cheaper ignitors. seems like bluestar has a lock on that item.

as for the switch out, i've done it myself. very easy. i got the parts (new burner head, gasket, orifice, and an included ignitor) from bluestar. you should call them and ask and/or demand it b/c right on their website's FAQ page, it says: "Additional 22,000 BTU burners may be added to any range in our RNB model at an additional cost. Our RCS and RPB models cannot have additional 22,000 BTU burners added."

so, if you have an RNB, you should be able to get the parts. if you have a different model, it appears that you may not be able to. i believe it has something to do with overloading the manifold...whatever that is.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 11:08AM
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MattNJ186

Thanks.

I have the RCS model with the 3-15K burners and the simmer burner. It seems identical in regards to the functional parts from everything I have been able to research.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 11:23AM
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gtadross_gw

yea, the RCS probably is identical in most ways. but even if you drilled out your own .47 gauge in the orifice, you wouldn't be able to get to the 22K mark without having the burner head with the dual line of holes on each arm.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 11:27AM
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tyguy

I think the OP has the 22k burner head? If so, that really is the key. The oriface I think is somewhat generic. I do believe that majovean said a garland oriface will work.

Keep us posted.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 11:44AM
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MattNJ186

Also...are the burners for the 18 and 22 the same? I have 2 part numbers 729801 and 729804 respectively. However, on the 729801 on some sites it says 18/22kBTU leading me to believe it is the same part. So the difference is with the orifice.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 12:40PM
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gtadross_gw

exactly. the difference is only the in the orifice. otherwise, they're identical

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 12:52PM
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gigelus2k13

What a hot topic! I too want to get a bluestar and am outraged by the antics this company is doing with the RNB/RCS price differential essentially over the burner ratings.

If you need one more confirmation, they flat-out stated in an email exchange that they would not sell the conversion kit to bring one burner to 18kBTU, as their older RCS model had by default. Price gouging at its finest.

As others more versed in these conversions stated, a 15k to 18 or 22 involves 3 things: the head, which has more holes, the brass nozzle (lower gauge number) and the manifold, which must mix more gas/air and is larger. There are online stores that apparently sell all the pieces for the conversion, but am not sure if they're worth.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 4:35PM
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gtadross_gw

I hear what you're saying. But companies routinely sell a lower and a higher end model. Just look at the two latest iPhones.

What I'd like to see, and what would make bluestar THE superior range, would be their reverting back to their original design for each burner, where on full power you could get 22k btu (or now 25k with the platinum model) and on the low end have it simmer on ALL burners the way the "dedicated" simmer burner does now.

They can achieve this by using 2 Venturi tubes to feed gas to each burner head. When you want to do a true simmer, on any burner, gas from one Venturi tube stops and the other tube only flows gas to the inner ring of the burner head.

It was the way they use to have it a very long time ago. But they've since changed to their current configuration.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2013 at 5:48PM
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MattNJ186

From what I can tell, the manifold is identical. Which means all you need is the burner and orifice. You can get burners on the internet, but I have not seen the nozzle/orifice (which Bluestar will not see unless you provide your serial number from what others say). If you get the correct drill bit size on line, it may be doable with drilling.

From their parts manuals, these are the only part numbers for manifolds:
Manifold 24��" 700207
Manifold 30��" 700203
Manifold 36��" 700202
Manifold 48��" 700201
Manifold 60��" 700205

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 7:00AM
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foodonastump

Can't you get this right on their online store in the form of a NG conversion kit?

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 7:33AM
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gtadross_gw

Can you post a link on where to get the burner heads? I wanna see if I can get the new 25k burner on the platinum model which has additional gas holes on the inside of the inner ring.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 9:50AM
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tyguy

+1 for where to buy the burner head online. I have a friend with an rcs and we have been talking upgrading one head to 22k for some time now.

Gta, could you not drill out the few additional holes into your 22k burner?

I'm thinking of going a step beyond and drilling out a few more holes and a 30k oriface. What's the worst that could happen??? Lol.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 11:34AM
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gtadross_gw

i guess i could drill out new holes, but i don't have the equipment for that. i'm wondering if i did, though, would i somehow overload the manifold or some other part that regulates gas flow. i have a 36" six burner RNB, that i added a third 22K burner too, so the range pretty souped up already

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 12:15PM
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MattNJ186

I emailed them about the orifice because you cannot find them on their online store...they replied:

"We would require your model and serial number before we can sell you this part. Thanks"

Further confirms you CANNOT buy these orifices from an authorized seller without having an existing RNB.

http://www.guaranteedparts.com/

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 3:33PM
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gtadross_gw

If you can get the burner head from that site, then just drill out a slightly larger hole in the brass orifice. It's really a minuscule difference in the aperture so just drill it to be the tiniest but larger

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 6:38PM
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foodonastump

Matt - maybe I have a wrong mental image of what you're looking for, but if it's in this picture then it's readily available in their online store and I went all the way short of pulling the trigger without being asked for a serial number this morning.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 6:42PM
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gtadross_gw

It's hard to tell what gauge those four orifices are on the right hand side, but they're def the right part. At least with 4 of them, you have some room for error when drilling.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 6:48PM
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foodonastump

Well they're for a RNB30 so I'd imagine two are appropriately sized for 22K burners.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 6:54PM
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gtadross_gw

Yea. I'd think so. In that pic, the 4th orifice in front the right appears to have a slightly larger aperture than the others.

    Bookmark   September 25, 2013 at 6:57PM
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renosarefun

Has anyone been sucessfull in finding both the part numbers and a online supplier to go from the 15K burner to either the 18k or 22K burner upgrade. From what I understand the 18K & 22K burner is the same, it's just the orifice is different,

    Bookmark   October 14, 2013 at 3:13PM
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gigelus2k13

Yes, the difference between the 18k and 22k is the brass vent hole, which defines how much gas is let into the burner.

The online places that sell the high-power burners do require an RNB serial number to complete the transaction. I'm in the process of convincing myself that 15k in an open burner is enough for my cooking :-)

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 1:27AM
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renosarefun

Thanks for the reply gigelus;

Going from a 15k burner to a 18K maybe not be enought to justify the purchase but I believe going to a 22K would be since after all it can be brought down to 18K.
I did more research and found some part number but still can't find an online supplier at a reasonable price. There has to be someone that has been sucessfull without needing serial numbers?

18k burner head - part number: 729801
1.25mm orifice - part number: 709512
Venturi Gasket - part number 734301

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 7:59AM
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gtadross_gw

i think the work-around here is to buy the 18/22K burner head (which is the same thing) from that guranteedparts online distributer (i think it's going for something like $295). and then buy that conversion kit that foodonastump posted about (for about $79). then do the switch out.

i got the required parts directly from bluestar for less than the total cost above. but that's only b/c i "qualified" for it b/c i had an RNB. if there's no other choice, then the above pricing isn't so bad.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 10:11AM
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renosarefun

Hello gtadross, thanks for the reply.

I'm in the process of deciding on the Costco Bluestar and was searching the cost to switch over two burners. $374.00 plus any other fees seems a bit high to increase the btu's on one burner, multiply that by two and it's enough to have me continue the search for a lower cost alternative.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 10:56AM
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gtadross_gw

yea, i guess they do it that way on purpose to steer you toward their higher-end product.

i have the RNB, and it's great. just know, though, that the 15K burners aren't that powerful at all. so if you want this range, you really have to get the RNB or pay out of pocket for the upgrade.

i wish i could get all 6 burners with the 22K's, but alas, that topic has been beaten to death.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 11:56AM
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renosarefun

gtadross,

If you have the RNB then you have the serial number that BlueStar wants in order to sell you the 3 items including gasket from Bluestar which I believe should be less costly then ordering it from "guaranteedparts online".

EDIT:

It looks as though guaranteed parts now sells the BlueStar-18K/22K BURNER HEAD
Code: BS-729801
SKU: Price: $195.00

for $195.00

EDIT:

I just found another site 'Every Appliance Part" that has it for $89.92 but it states "Not Available".

This post was edited by Renosarefun on Tue, Oct 15, 13 at 13:25

    Bookmark   October 15, 2013 at 1:11PM
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gigelus2k13

Beating the dead horse, I checked with guaranteedparts and this is what they had to say: "We cannot provide you with an upgrade 18/22k burner for this model range without a serial number."

Which means that if you have an RCS, they won't sell the upgrade to you, same spiel as Bluestar themselves.

    Bookmark   October 18, 2013 at 12:48PM
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MattNJ186

To clarify the parts needed (for natural gas):

Upgrade to 22K:
Burner 929804
Orifice 709547
Gasket 734301

Upgrade to 18K:
Burner 929801
Orifice 709548
Gasket 734301

    Bookmark   October 18, 2013 at 3:07PM
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knightatnight

I've been really trying to get the 22k on my RCS.

If anyone is willing to help. I will compensate :)

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 2:09PM
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knightatnight

any way around this? I really want to get the 22k on my stove.

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 11:43AM
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gtadross_gw

Seems that bluestar has an iron grip over something like this. You can probably do it yourself by drilling extra holes in the burners and getting a bigger orifice for each burner. I'm just speculating about all of this, though, and have not actually attempted it or know anyone who has. It's simply a theory.

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 1:04PM
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renosarefun

To the best of my knowledge, Bluestar has requested that dealers not sell the retrofit parts to owners that don't present a valid serial number to protect customers from purchasing the lower priced 15k burners and retrofiring them.

I do see on occasion that some people are selling the retro fit parts privately but at a high price which doesn't make the retro fit that attractive.

In the end I purchased another manufacture as I was unsuccessful after a years worth of searching for the parts at a reasonable price.

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 3:06PM
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mlr14

If guaranteedparts is only asking for a serial number for the parts you need, any appliance store with a RNB model has the serial number you need for the part. Go to the store, lift the top burner grate off the left side of the range, there is the serial number you need to buy the part. Snap a pic with your phone. Anyone looking to buy this range will certainly be taking parts off and looking inside.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2014 at 10:40AM
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renosarefun

I already tried that once and the store had it covered. The sales rep saw me from a distance and just smiled as I'm sure they knew what I was looking.

I went to a different location and they did the same thing.

Maybe you'll have better luck in your location.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2014 at 10:51AM
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mlr14

Go when they are busy and don't let a smile deter you. Maybe the smile is just a smile.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2014 at 10:58AM
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renosarefun

I could tell the smile was in reference to, "I see what you're doing", sort of like when a women smiles at you and is thinking..............."your cute".

The tape was placed in a way that you would have to take a considerable amount of time to remove as it ripped apart as you were peeling it back, sort of like the price tags on product that can't be removed easily to place on a higher priced item. They don't come off easily and certainly not in one piece. Let's just say if you made the attempt and got caught there would be no justification when the label states, "DO NOT REMOVE". Sort of made me feel .like I was stealing and not worth being on my conscience.

As mentioned, others may have more luck, but it would appear dealers in my area are aware of how the game is played and won't make it easy for consumers to win.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2014 at 12:11PM
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gtadross_gw

I'm not sure it's worth the effort even if you away with it. Once you give that hoisted serial number to the parts dealer, won't they be able to see that that particular unit is still registered to the store and not to an actual owner?

    Bookmark   September 20, 2014 at 3:09PM
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mlr14

I wasn't aware they cover the serial with tape now. When I needed one there was no tape and no one seemed to care. When I ordered my burner upgrade direct from Blue Star, they just said the range has not yet been registered and placed the order. They don't register a serial number to a store. The burner swap took minutes and works fantastic! BTW- when you are looking under the hood, the manifold is the same one on the RNB as the RCS with the same pressure setting. Blue Star says the manifold on the RCS is not sufficient to support the burner upgrade. Same one, and same owner manual for both ranges.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 8:55AM
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hvtech42

They don't register it to the store, BUT if someone buys the floor model and tries to get the burner upgrade...

This post was edited by hvtech42 on Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 10:27

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 10:23AM
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mlr14

They will sell to them. These are just range parts. BS has excellent customer service.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 10:49AM
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bluayeddvl

hi all, just registered here on gw after much reading of a number of bluestar-related threads over the past couple of months.

thanks to all who have contributed. it's because of all of you that i finally did commit to an RCS 30" that was recently posted for sale in my area.

managed to get it and a 720cfm kobe hood for around the pre-tax cost of the RCS thru costco (canada). they were both brand new items, and due to the seller being relocated for his work before he could install these, well, it was an opportunity not to be missed.

love that the range is simply on/off, and really just love the range overall. simple yet fully functional and meets my needs almost exactly. and i say almost because i wanted to share some findings in regard to the burner upgrade.

i was fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time and found the 22k burner head on evilbay. it arrived at my home yesterday after having travelled from the u.s pacific north-west to canada's capital. nice piece of kit alright.

as to the orifice, i also know that the RNB uses a #47 (from reading on gw), so i found a source and ordered a #47 and a #46. Ah, many will be happy to know that the bluestar orifice IS the same as the garland (3/8 - 27).

burner install was painless. after swapping burner heads (incl the ignitor and carefully removing and reinstalling the gasket) and installing the orifice/jet (following mojavean's destructions) it was simply a matter of fine-tuning the shutter to have the best fuel/air ratio producing the best flame at the burner head.

holy hanna...going from a 15k to this tweaked 22k (which i'm sure is pushing 23k+ since i'm using a #46) is akin to going from dial-up to fibre.

i placed it ahead of the dedicated simmer burner on the left side as i am planning on using a cast iron griddle across the pair of 15s on the right side. plus it seems that has become the de facto corner for using my steel wok. made sense to me to place it there.

of course my only disappointment was that i had already cooked a stir fry for the family (yes, on the 15k. and yes, it is possible to do it well and do it right...just a tad slower) for our dinner so i didn't have a chance to give it a good run yet.

ok, that's it from me. just a hello and a quick share of my 'upgrade' experience thus far.

EDIT: i should add that i am not encouraging or otherwise directing others to do this to their ranges as there is some potential for it to be dangerous. anything with gas has inherent risk. i have a solid understanding and technical knowledge to perform this on my own, to my own appliance, and wanted to share my own experience with others that perhaps have thought about doing something similar. others that wish to undertake this enhancement do so at their own risk. just sayin'.

This post was edited by bluayeddvl on Sat, Nov 8, 14 at 22:34

    Bookmark   November 7, 2014 at 3:48PM
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novanovice

Awesome! I'm on the verge of placing an order for a 36 RNB. Please post some pictures of your range if you can. Would love to see it.

    Bookmark   November 7, 2014 at 10:16PM
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bluayeddvl

doesn't appear to be a method to upload multiple pics inside the same post, so here's 1/3
RCS installed and all burners on, 1x9k and 3x15k

    Bookmark   November 8, 2014 at 9:26PM
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bluayeddvl

here's 2/3
1x9k, 1x22k+ and 2x15k

    Bookmark   November 8, 2014 at 9:27PM
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bluayeddvl

and here's 3/3, head on

    Bookmark   November 8, 2014 at 9:28PM
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