duravit sensowash to fit on a different toilet

naadimreMay 20, 2013

hi all,
i've stalked this site for quite awhile but this is my first time posting a question.

we're remodeling a small master bath. one of my must-haves is a wall hung unit to maximize space with a bidet seat. i'm between the Duravit Starck 3 with Sensowash C and the Toto Aquia with S350e Washlet.

i love the clean appearance of the duravit line, especially but i've heard unfortunate things about the flushing mechanism so i'm a little gun-shy in making this purchase.

i was wondering, since the Washlet can be fit onto many types of toilets can the same be done for the Sensowash? I think it's a lot nicer looking than the Washlet.

if not, what are people's experiences with the Duravit Starck 3 wall hung unit and the flush? i don't want to have a supernice bathroom that i'm afraid to use the toilet b/c of the flush - thereby losing the whole reason of having a bidet in the first place!

thanks so much! sorry for being long-winded.

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elphaba_gw

We have the Toto Aquia wall mounted toilet in our recently remodeled bathroom. There are a few things I don't think are so great so I was thinking of getting the Duravit for our very small master bath which we are remodeling next. I also wanted a bidet function. Your question is a good one.

I also am interested in the sensowash bidet seat but haven't investigated much.

I am hesitant to give a seriously bad review of the Toto toilet because I think there is a problem with the installation. My contractor is out of town and I plan to talk to him when he returns. To flush, you have to hold the button in. If you don't hold it in, the flush stops. Instead of like with a normal type of button which you just push in and out and that initiates a full flush. I really need to call Toto on this before I make a serious complaint. But I must admit it is one of the very few things that didn't go as well as I'd wanted in our new bath.

The sanagloss isn't that great either on the Aquia. I have never used a toilet brush so much. I wonder if part of the problem is that the bowl cavity is very deep and narrow in the center. Just guessing for now. Not sure how the bowl is shaped for the Duravit. Amazing how it is important to think of every little thing.

I am so glad you gave us your opinion of the look of the sensowash bidet seat. I was thinking that the Duravit line might have a more "elegant" look.

Hope someone responds to your question here.

I hope to visit a plumbing showroom, either tomorrow or the next day and will post what I learn.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2013 at 12:50AM
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naadimre

elphaba, thanks for the input regarding your toto and sanagloss. i'm also planning on going to a showroom tomorrow where, i hope, they'll have both toto and duravit styles. i'm hoping they will be able to demonstrate flushing...or at least answer my questions.

definitely keep me posted if you find any answers!

    Bookmark   May 21, 2013 at 10:38PM
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naadimre

it was impossible for me to find a showroom that had these models on display, i went to 3. if you have better luck, please let me know!

    Bookmark   May 22, 2013 at 5:06PM
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elphaba_gw

I tried to reply to your email but your settings on your gardenweb profile apparently prohibit me from doing that. FYI - I am going through an "episode" of back problems that just started - I think the earliest I'm going to be able to get on the road is next week. Maybe Monday. I wonder if Duravit has a customer service number to call for questions like this. They might also have some suggestions for their largest show rooms. I'll keep you posted once I recover from this back problem.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2013 at 1:11PM
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herring_maven

naadimre: "i'm between the Duravit Starck 3 with Sensowash C and the Toto Aquia with S350e Washlet. i love the clean appearance of the duravit line, especially but i've heard unfortunate things about the flushing mechanism so i'm a little gun-shy in making this purchase. i was wondering, since the Washlet can be fit onto many types of toilets can the same be done for the Sensowash? I think it's a lot nicer looking than the Washlet."

There are two separate issues in your question. One is that "the Duravit Starck 3" is not a single model, but a family of models with different shaped bowls and (therefore) requiring different toilet seats. If you have a square-front Duravit, only a square front Duravit seat will fit.

The other is that Starck is a designer: he styles products, but he does not engineer them.

Toto Washlets fit Inax toilets, and Inax advanced toilet seats fit Toto toilets, because the Japanese giants sensibly have decided that it is in their mutual interest to have component interchangeability. The American and European makers are still locked into the King Gillette theory of marketing, and -- generally -- components are not interchangeable. Schick blades do not fit Gillette razors, and Gillette blades do not fit Schick razors.

Inax invented the consumer advanced or "shower" toilet seat, and Toto has sold more of those overseas (though not necessarily in the home market of Japan) than anybody. Between them, Toto and Inax have a huge base of engineering knowledge and experience; they know how to make advanced toilet seats; Inax and Toto know what mistakes to avoid in the design of advanced toilet seats; they have the know-how and the know-how-not. Duravit? Probably not. They have an internationally renowned stylist to make a seat look snazzy, but in toilet seats, function trumps style.

If the function of an advanced toilet seat is what you want, you are best off sticking with Inax or Toto; if you want styling more than you want function, go with the Duravit. (When we had the decision to make in our home, we chose a Toto toilet and an Inax seat, playing to the relative strengths of both brands.)

    Bookmark   May 23, 2013 at 11:09PM
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naadimre

truthfully, i never even considered the inax seats. @herring_maven, do you really feel that the inax seats are better than the toto washlets? i've been looking at the toto S350e, which has a prior spray-down function of the basin, which i guess helps for the toilet to flush cleanly.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 10:00AM
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herring_maven

naadimre: "truthfully, i never even considered the inax seats. @herring_maven, do you really feel that the inax seats are better than the toto washlets?"

In Japan, Toto and Inax have the same relationship that the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox have: fierce rivals, who spur each other to ever greater heights. Between them, Inax and Toto dominate the Japaense toilet seat marketplace so thoroughly that even the giant Japanese electronics companies like Matsushita (Panasonic) and Toshiba, which both make advanced toilet seats, are small bit players.

In that rivalry, Inax plays more the hip BMW or Apple role and Toto plays more the staid Mercedes or Microsoft role, if you get the strained analogies. I prefer the Inax line of toilet seats, because Inax uses separate wands for posterior and feminine functions, which allows Inax better to optimize the angle of spray for each function. Toto uses two separate nozzles in a single wand for the separate functions.

"i've been looking at the toto S350e, which has a prior spray-down function of the basin, which i guess helps for the toilet to flush cleanly."

Without empirical basis, I question how much "help" a prewash from the toilet seat can provide to compenate for an inadequate flush by the toilet itself. Our Toto toilet (a Vespin II) flushes as cleanly as any low-flow toilet I have seen flush; it has the Toto version ("Dual Cyclone") of the top-down swirling flush that really makes a difference. Some Inax toilet models have a nearly identical flushing mechanism called "Double Vortex." Given the amount of water available in the toilet tank vs. what is held in the much smaller tank in the toilet seat, I wold put my money on the better flushing toilet washing cleaner than the lesser flushing toilet aided by a pre-wash from the toilet seat. (But I have seen neither how well a Duravit Starck 3 flushes nor how a Washlet S350a works in its pre-wash mode.)

Here is a link that might be useful: Flushing video, in case you are interested

    Bookmark   May 24, 2013 at 7:27PM
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elphaba_gw

Terrible reviews of Durravit on Amazon. Looks like Duravit is good if you are a "form before function" kind of person. Since I am definitely in the "function before form" camp, guess I'm going with Toto all the way.

Looks like that little "prior spray down function" may be a good thing to help resolve the problem I'm seeing with the Toto wall mount - (apparently Duravit has the same problem). Seems like there is a greater need to use the toilet brush with these wall mounts. I'm glad I also have a "wall mounted toilet brush" which from what I can tell is a necessity with the wall mounted toilet.

Thanks for your posting and good luck with whatever you choose. I'm off to do my ordering for our master bath. Gardenweb really motivates me to research and helps me tremendously in making decisions. Thanks for being part of that.

Here is a link that might be useful: Amazon reviews of Duravit wall mount toilet

    Bookmark   May 28, 2013 at 12:35PM
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