Pocket door in an arched door opening..??..

jannz77March 29, 2013

In our new house design we have an arched entry from dining/foyer area into the family room. The arched opening will NOT be framed in any wood trim but just have rounded edges.

I would like the option of 'closing off' the family room from the more formal areas and am wondering if it's possible to install a pocket door into this type of arched door opening..??.. or do pocket doors require the openings be finished with wood trim..??..

Anyone do anything like this..??..

Thanks for comments, suggestions, links!

Edited to add: OK -- I found an example of this being done. Just not sure what the edges of the doorway opening look like.

This post was edited by jannz77 on Fri, Mar 29, 13 at 17:15

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niteshadepromises

If your opening is single door wide like the picture above, the challenge comes in removing the door for repairs. As far as i know in all the examples of arched pocket door installations, the door itself is still a square door. Therefore you're trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Make sure if you persue it you aren't facing demolition work to replace a part on the door. Now if you have a double wide door arch it gets easier to make the doors removeable one at a time, if I remember correctly by making sure they can go past the halfway mark and clear the highest section of the arch.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 5:25PM
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jannz77

Ah... niteshades.... GREAT comment. I wouldn't have thought about the door requiring any repairs. It is a single door opening.

This does make me wonder if the designer of this example had a plan in mind for any repairs.

Edited to add: I noticed that the designer was credited on the photo so I looked them up and found a way to contact them on their website. I sent them an 'inquiry' asking if they had thought through this design if this issue came up. Curious to see if they respond and what they say.

This post was edited by jannz77 on Fri, Mar 29, 13 at 17:55

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 5:39PM
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virgilcarter

Yes, the opening for a pocket door will need to be framed so that a rectangular door can be installed.

A different approach might be to build a carpenter-built door using materials similar to those used in the room on one side or the other of the opening that would simply be hinged to close across the opening when desired.

An even more innovative approach might be to hang a rail above the arched opening on one side or the other and use a sliding "barn" door, again matching materials found in the rooms.

Good luck with your project.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 6:25PM
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niteshadepromises

When I was looking into this possibility for my own build, the posts I found that mentioned options to solve the square peg in round hole problem mentioned framing the arch in trim. You've mentioned you intend to have no trim on your arch, however if you can't find an acceptable solution its something to consider. While removing trim in order to repair the door is still a hassle, its certainly better than punching holes in your wall!

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 7:16AM
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jannz77

Yes niteshades... no trim is planned on our arched openings.

Is it that the trim makes the door opening wider and therefore the door would no longer be wider than the opening and could be removed..??..

Still interested in what the designer credited in the photo I provided planned for with regard to repairs.

This post was edited by jannz77 on Sat, Mar 30, 13 at 8:11

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 8:07AM
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brickeyee

I would guess there may be no way to remove the door if a problem occurs without major demolition.

It would not be the first time I have seen things built with no method to maintain them.

Pocket doors require at least some removable trim at the top to access the door for adjustment.

It is a hanging door, and even with Johnson hardware needs adjustment at installation (at least).

The "no trim" option is NOT a good one.

The hardware at the door top is a couple inches tall and needs to be concealed.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:16AM
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GreenDesigns

There are plenty of "design sins" that are posted on Houzz or Pinned on a regular basis. What looks good isn't always practical or efficient beyond 5 minutes of TV time. Remember that designers often have zero real world experience in anything resembling a practical application of their ideas. Most couldn't even hold a hammer correctly and hit a nail if you showed them how to do it. I say this as a member of the profession who does have a "practical" background and is regularly horrified at some of the atrocities committed in the name of design.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:49AM
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niteshadepromises

In the case of trim, the trim pieces would actually form the eyebrow arch at the top of the door, the opening underneath is actually square as it would be for a standard pocket door.

Unfortunately pocket doors are prone to repair and adjustment, moreso than a standard door. Like others have said i'd be very wary of what you decide to do just based on look. The difficulty in design is one reason why I ultimately abandoned the idea myself. Well that and my floorplan changed so much it was no longer really needed hehe.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:09PM
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jannz77

Ah... Thanks niteshade.... I think I understand how the trim on an arched opening works now.

Appreciate your time to respond.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:18PM
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brickeyee

As long as you make some type of removable panel on one side that turns the normal square opening in to the arch you might get away with it.

'Hiding' the panel is going to take some real work though.

pocket doors come out by unlocking the door from one of the rollers it is hanging on, then pivoting the door on the second hanger till it cealrs the jamb on the non-pocket side.

The trim on one side concealing the hangers must be removed.
i have used al sorts of tricks to conceal how that trim piece is held up.

The one I prefer now is to make 'keyhole' opening in the top trim piece on the upper surface, then sink screws into the track support to catch in the keyholes.

You position the screws and keyholes so the piece slide the last half inch into position to be flush with the jamb on each side.

Cut the paint joint to the side jambs with a knife, pull the piece away from the wall a half inch, and it drops down.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 4:51PM
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