Has anyone installed one of these next to toilet?

enduringMarch 27, 2013

I was looking for "windows over toilets" on Houzz, and this picture popped up. I believe it is a design from Germany. It looks like a hand shower used as a bidet. Has anyone seen these before? It might be a little unhandy to use. I thought I'd explore this option a little and compare it with an advanced toilet seat.

Contemporary Bathroom by Other Metro Architect Annis Lender

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tinan

It seems like it would make a huge mess, you could end up with water sprayed ll over. I have a hand shower in the shower so why would I want one next to the toilet?

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 12:21AM
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cat_mom

Is it me, or do the legs on the vanity look like something from a Tim Burton movie? Like the vanity could just up a walk across the room on those legs! LOL

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 12:33AM
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lee676

looks iike water could spray back onto my hand - definitey not what I want. Don't like.

And is that a toilet brush to the left?

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 5:03AM
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annemouse

Are you sure this is a German toilet? I have never seen it anywhere in Germany, but of course the manufacturer could be from Germany. I have seen it everywhere in the Arab Emirates. It is the arabic version of a Western Style Toilet with an extra cleaning "hose" for use instead of toilet paper.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 8:17AM
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enduring

Annemouse, thanks for your info. The link on house states Dusseldorf, Germany as the location of the design firm. When I go to the link and onto this particular designer the text looks like Russian.

Catmom, The vanity is weird to me. I like your image of an animated vanity.

Lee676, yes it does look messy. I also thought about the spray all over the floor and the hard reach around to fetch the thing. Then the time it would take for the hot water to reach the pipe would be another issue for me.

Tinan, I know I would spray the handshower all over too! I think this feature is to function as a bidet.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 8:56AM
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may_flowers

With the size of that sink, I think it's a dog-washing station. There's even a linen towel to blot Foo-Foo dry.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 10:22AM
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dianne47

This arrangement is very common in parts of Asia, especially Bali. It works there because the water coming out of the tap is not very cold. But in many other parts of the world tap cold is really really cold, I certainly wouldn't use this arrangement in my climate.

For an alternative check out the many brands of bidet toilet seats that are available. You do need a GFCI outlet nearby to provide power for heating the water.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 5:10PM
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enduring

May-flowers, lol, you may be right about Foo Foo :)

Dianne47, yes it would be cold and waiting for the water to heat up would be intolerable. Your input is very helpful, and interesting. BTW, I have an Inax advanced toilet seat. When I remodeled I was sure to have the GFCI outlet placed nearby. I really like the seat.

I wanted to get some thoughts from others about the setup pictured above. I believe this setup is a no-go for me.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 6:26PM
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lee676

A point-of-use water heater, either a small tank or a tankless on-demand type, would solve the instant warm water requirement, and could be used for the nearby sink as well.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 8:28PM
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enduring

Lee676, yes that would be a great solution for the water temp.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 8:42PM
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lee676

Something like this: (link below)

Insinkerator makes these too (i'm noting that as our UK readers haven't had good things to say about Ariston's rep, where the brand is far more popular than in the US where i live).

Very convenient - no waiting for hot water at the sink, no having freezing cold water in the winter time when you first turn on the water, then having it get too hot as the hot water makes its way to the faucet and having to readjust the temperature. Not very expensive either; though you will likely need to run a dedicated 120v/15a circuit for the device to plug into.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ariston 120v 2-1/2 galon water heater

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 11:22PM
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tinan

Oh, I do realize it's meant as a bidet, but since it is handheld... imagine not knowing exactly what angle the water will come out, and really I just can't visualize how you could use this without ending up with water everywhere but in the toilet!

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 1:17AM
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Babka NorCal 9b

It is a toilet with combo bidet. When we bought our tract house here in California back in 1976, the bathroom had a bidet. I just stuck a potted fern in it. Wasn't sure about what it was for!!!! After traveling in Europe I saw a lot of them. Ours had hot/cold handles on it, just like a bathroom sink. The water pressure is such that you won't spray across the room. Regarding linen towels...They are more prevalent in Europe than terry ones. The bathrooms we encountered in Bali and other parts of Indonesia mostly had a hole with ceramic footprints. The showers were a plastic bowl "mandi" arrangement. Heated water was for foreigners. VERY quick showers, pouring water over your head with a plastic bowl. Unheated water, even 90 degree water is NOT good on private parts. I'm guessing that on that bar with the hose, there is a temperature selector. The photo looks like a very high end bathroom to me.

-Babka

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 1:39AM
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enduring

Ok Tinan, I missed the jest, but I'm with you exactly on the handle and spraying the wrong directions. I don't know if I mentioned it earlier but the mounted position behind the toilet is a terrible location ergonomically.

Lee676, thanks for the link

Babka, LOL, did you ever take the fern out of the bidet? I think bidets look awkward and inconvenient to use. Thanks for your other comments. I love getting information about other parts of the world and how they do things in their day to day lives.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 8:45AM
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azmom

I saw this type of set up in India at various locations and cities. Once in a public place, the rest were at pricey hotels. I was told that the original idea was due to toilet paper was not widely provided.

Someone told me the set up was being used in Middle East too, since I have never been to the region I cannot verify that.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 11:31AM
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Babka NorCal 9b

Many places in Asia and the Middle East don't provide or use toilet paper. Hundreds of years of tradition. You eat with your right hand, and wipe with your left hand. Never the two shall meet (!) It takes fancy sewage systems to deal with toilet paper.

Don't worry, if you travel there most times you will be accommodated, and there is always a pocket sized kleenex pack in my pocket, just in case. ;-)

-Babka

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 2:27PM
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buildinva

Now all I can see is that vanity on those funny legs walking toward me... Lol!

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:01PM
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enduring

...I see the faucet handles as 2 eyes, the spout as a nose, and the small overflow as a tiny little mouth saying "ooohhhh" in a tiny little voice...

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:13PM
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nancyinmich

Actually, this is exactly what I was fantasizing about as I consider an upcoming bath remodel. Maybe not situated behind my back, but a nice warm wash for my underside (which has problems that need attention more than a daily shower). I was wondering what a small tankless system would cost. Thanks for the link! Since the bathroom is on the opposite side of the house from the water heater, a tankless system for this and the lav faucets would be great and save a LOT of water. We never get to wash our hands with warm water in this bathroom unless we just finished a shower.

I have considered the toilet seats, but worry whether they will "hit the spot." A wand would give control that an automated seat would not. The best configuration for this wall-mounted wand would be if the holster was also connected to a drain. Ideally, a holster should drain into the toilet tank, and the wand have all the controls on the handle.

Does anyone know the name of a company selling these wands in the US?

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 10:20PM
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pharaoh

If you travel through asia, you will see this in all hotel bathrooms. They consider the use of toilet paper to be unhygienic. (dry clean vs wet clean). it also makes less waste and clogging...

we plan to put one in our master bath after the experience in asia.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 10:31PM
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enduring

Nancy-in-mich, I have recently installed an Inax advanced toilet seat. It works well. I find that I can move a bit if I need to help with the aim. The seat is nice in that it is all in one. No having to fetch the wand, just push a button. You could try this question over on the Terry Love forum. He is a plumber and there are a lot of plumbers and home owners discussing bathroom fixtures.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:30PM
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suero

I've used that in the Middle East. It's very easy to aim, and you can control the amount of spray.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:42PM
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lee676

No need to traverse the globe looking for one - the local HD has over a dozen models for sale right in their store - all for $100 or less...Latex or polyurethane single-use gloves optional....

Here is a link that might be useful: Handheld Bidets

    Bookmark   April 4, 2013 at 2:43AM
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enduring

Wow! I never knew. Something to keep an open mind about. How did you happen to find these ad HD of all places?

    Bookmark   April 4, 2013 at 8:21AM
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lee676

I was just walking through an HD store yesterday whan I saw the Brondell units, prominently displayed on an endcap no less and on sale.

    Bookmark   April 4, 2013 at 11:00AM
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crl_

Looks like the perfect set up for cloth diaper users. Spray off the diaper into the toilet before laundering.

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 2:23AM
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noopd

I don't know about middle east, but yes, those are common in europe. Because washing with water is cleaner than wiping with paper after a #2.

If there is a showerhead next to the toilet, as in the picture, it's called a douche. If there is a separate toilet bowl looking thing, it's a bidet. You probably seen those before.

I think they are just too messy, so I like the japanese way where there is a automatic water wash system build into the toilet. I have been using them for years now and love it. Toto has one called Washlet. Kohler has the Numi and Duravit has the sensowash. They are more common now and a lot more brands carry them, even costco has them.(not by toto or duravit).. If you want one, Toto is probably the best..

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 7:11PM
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mrspete

I share the majority's concern: The water would spray everywhere and be a mess.

IF you go with this item, I would make two suggestions:

1. Use, as they have in this picture, tile everywhere so it won't matter if you miss. Hardwood would be ruined in no time at all.

2. Finagle some way to shield the toilet paper from the spray, or you'll constantly be throwing away wet, unusuable half-rolls.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 6:03PM
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enduring

Yes, I think it would be a water hazard for sure. One benefit would be for cleaning diapers as Crl_ stated above.

I like the idea of having a sprayer at the sink like you would in the kitchen. In my recently remodeled bathroom I plumbed for one, a Kohler HighRise Sidespray. But I ended up taking the sprayer back because my area was just to small to accommodate both the regular faucet and the side sprayer. With my next bathroom plans I might just add that cute HighRise, and near the toilet!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 6:18PM
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