Heisey - Crystal or Glass?

DLM2000December 4, 2009

A friend suggested I come here to ask my million questions and this is my first Antique forum post - be gentle with me, please ;-)

I have my mother's vintage water/wine, champagne/sherbet and cordials in the Candlelight pattern from the 30's. Does anyone know if these are crystal or glass? I always thought they were crystal but was told by someone who is pretty knowledgable (I think!) that Heisey is not crystal. I also can't find the mark on them (doesn't mean it's not there, but I don't know where to look) but was always told they are Heisey Candlelight.

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Heisey is glass is crystal...
Crystal is a term for finely made glass. Heisey is beautifully made. It's a pressed glass finished by hand and always marked. I learned that people who say "it's un marked Heisey" are mistaken and calling something else Heisey.
Heisey is marked with an "H" in a diamond shape and mostly always in the center bottom of the piece.
But...I thought Candlelight was made by Cambridge?
Does the link show what you have?
Linda c

Here is a link that might be useful: candlelight

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 6:40PM
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You see a lot of Heisy and Cambridge around here, because the old Heisey was located about twenty minutes from here in one direction, and the old Cambridge twenty minutes in the other. Both produced beautiful glassware. My MIL had two Heisey figurines she guarded with her life and never went anywhere without, even to packing them in her suitcases. LOL. One day she decided to part with them, and got enough from them to buy a beautiful new television. sigh.

It's true Heisey always marked their glass, but you can come upon unmarked pieces, because some were marked with paper labels.

Linda is right, candlelight was made by Cambridge glass and is exquisite. You can find unmarked Cambridge too. I'm not a 'glass' collector, although I love it. I pick up pieces if I come across unusual ones, or depression glass, or any I find in yard sales/charity shops I suspect might be valuable.....but there is so much of it out there, one can be burnt easily if they don't know what they're doing.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 7:39PM
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Well, now I'm really confused!

Linda that link does not show what I have - I'll have to get a picture for you, but in the meantime, this is the picture from Replacements.com. It's really far prettier in person.

Pattern: CANDLELIGHT by HEISEY [HEICAN] Pattern #: 3408

calliope that's a cute story about your MIL - sounds like you'd rather have the figurines!

I'm going to unpack a piece and look for a mark again.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 7:55PM
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I am confused too!! Nothing I know or can find mentions "heican" nor any candlelight pattern. The only place I can find it mentioned is Replacements.
It's perfectly gorgeous! is it lead crystal? Does it ring when flicked with a finger?
I am guessing it's not Heisey and Replacements has some sort of a glitch....but that's just a wild guess!
Have you looked at any of the other fill in places? Like patterns of the past, tabletops and a few others?
Maybe post a picture and send it to some of them.
I love a mystery!
Linda C

Here is a link that might be useful: heisey history

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 9:10PM
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Could it be barcelona??
If the number 3408 means anything...that's it...
Anyhow...please post a picture....that could raise another view entirely! LOL!
Linda C

Here is a link that might be useful: barcelona

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 9:21PM
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Linda I'll get a picture of it tomorrow - I need good light to get a clear picture and not bounce flash off it. I had great pictures but can't find them on my computer right now - of course. It's not Barcelona - that looks to have some sort of swirl pattern and mine has the dots shown in the pic above. It is a mystery.

Well, I just looked at the Patters of the Past website and nothing comes up for Heisey. But they're located in Princeton, IL which is about an hour from me so I could certainly make a trip there - Princeton is supposed to be a cute little town! Sounds like a field trip is in order.

Just googling Heisey Candlelight gets a few hits including ebay and Worthpoint. Curiouser and curiouser!! Thanks for your help - I'll be back tomorrow with pics.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 10:12PM
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Look in unexpected places for the Heisey mark. Their mark isn't always on the center bottom of the piece. Most of Heisey's stemware have blown bowls which were attached to pressed stems. Their trademark is pressed molded, so it has to be applied to the molded part of the stemware and that would be the stem itself. Poke around and use a magnifying glass if you have to before you discount your glasses as not being marked.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 10:45PM
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Found this reference to Heisey "Candlelight"

Here is a link that might be useful: Heisey Candlelight Picture / Pattern 3408

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 10:48PM
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Ding Ding ding!
the number refers to the design of the stem....and it looks like that stem could have any number of different tops attached.
Sort of like the blank name or number in china.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 11:13PM
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Whoa - you gals are GOOD!!! It's still dark and I'm still waking up but will unpack s few pieces and look for the mark a bit later. More questions to follow, I'm sure - thank you!!!

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 7:46AM
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I've looked with a magnifying glass and if these pieces are marked, I'm not finding it. They match the Candlelight pattern in the link above, however so I'm confident about what they are.

These are the 3 pieces: water/wine, champagne/sherbet and cordial.

And this is a close look at the pattern

Here you can see a chip in the rim of a cordial

Now to the big question - are they collectible? saleable? and if so, how do I determine a reasonable price and the best sales venue? Unfortunately there is one piece missing, 12 cordials, 12 champagnes but 11 waters. I'm hoping Ebay is not the best option - we have bought/sold some things there over the years but it's changed and I'll avoid it if I can.

Thanks so much for your help and input.


    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 2:24PM
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Collectible,saleable? Does a bear poo in the woods? I wouldn't part with a collection that size. They were considered elegant dinnerware and cherished when they were new. It's a family heirloom.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 4:51PM
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LOL! Me neither! But then if some people didn't sell stuff, I wouldn't have a lot of the stuff I do have.
I am guessing that if you had to buy it you would pay well more than $2000 for it....but you might only get $700 or $800 to sell it....and of course the person who bought it wouldn't have their mother's set, just a set of lovely old glasses.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 6:58PM
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calliope I'm drowning in family heirlooms. My brother has all that he wants, his daughters have all they want and are giving things back to me that they chose from their grandparents and have since changed their minds about. My sons have no interest and even though they could conceivably have wives one day that would be interested, there are many other things that have more sentimental meaning to them and in the meantime I have to store it all!

The things I treasure are the things I have memories of my parents and grandparents actually using. Although this glass/crystal was used on occasion it involved fancy business dinners not family holiday meals.

So..... I do want to sell them, even though that makes me a horrible person ;-)

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 6:58PM
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If it's Heisey, and I do believe it is now.........I think Linda's estimate is pretty much on the money. No, it doesn't make you a horrible person and I understand about keeping things you link to good memories about the people you loved actually using it. I recently executed my parent's estate. A good deal of it was mine to keep, but I have found homes in the family for most of it and saved for myself things I would have never guessed I'd chosen when my parents were alive. Most of the really choice pieces I parted with, and kept things with memories. And I haven't regretted my choices.

There are Heisey collector's clubs. People who know and appreciate their wares. Serious collectors are good candidates because if you collect something, and are knowledgeable about it, are you ever really satisfied with the size of your cache? If they don't want a particular item, they usually know somebody who does.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 10:51PM
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Thanks for the tip, calliope - I googled a bit and found a number of Heisey groups so at least I have a place to start.

It's not easy for me to part with things and I want to keep them simply because they belonged to my parents or grandparents. But that's not realistic or practical and will be even less so if we ever downsize.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2009 at 5:12PM
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I was told that Heisey will glow yellow? or green? (I can't remember which) under a black light; anyone know if that's true?

    Bookmark   December 8, 2009 at 10:59AM
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Not true....Heisey did make some "vasoline glass" made with uranium ore that would glow....but that's only a very very small part of their output.
Linda C

    Bookmark   December 8, 2009 at 3:27PM
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