capital culinarian - how to tame the heat

mangiamoFebruary 14, 2012

Hello everyone. I am new to posting on this forum although I have been reading all your helpful postings for the past year. We are the proud owners of a 48inch capital culinarian range with 8 burners. I am finding that I cannot get the heat low enough. I have read all the postings about clicking on simmer (which I have and will need to have adjusted). My challenge is that I cannot on the lowest setting get my pasta sauce or soup to simmer (instead of bubble) and my two burner cast iron griddles get smoking hot on simmer. Do I need to buy a simmer plate or should I just stack the grates? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Regards from Toronto.

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tyguy

If it were me I would "make" a simmer burner by plugging up all the ports except for the inner most ring and change out the gas orifice to the proper size.

Short of that, make sure the top portion of your 2 piece burner is as close to the ignitor as possible. Maybe even port out the one port hole closest to the ignitor a little to ensure enough gas is hitting the ignitor. And then adjust the flame as low as you can before clicking, maybe even have a tech visit if you feel that they may be able to adjust it lower. Do all the above and use a simmer plate and you should be fine.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2012 at 4:54PM
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trevorlawson

Call for a service call. Have them come and adjust the burner for an improved simmer temp.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2012 at 5:13PM
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billy_g

Trevor is right. We finally did that with our 48 inch CC but we should have had it done at install.

The lowest setting is still pretty warm but it's a fair tradeoff for the other benefits you get. Get a couple of simmer plates, too.

Billy

    Bookmark   February 14, 2012 at 9:41PM
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breezygirl

I've been wondering the same thing lately and was tempted to try the DIY adjustment method that's been posted recently. My biggest frustration came Sunday when I was simmering a pot roast. The knob was down to the lowest, but the boil was aggressive. I kept turning it on and off so as not to over boil. I even tried an old school metal simmer plate from DH's grandfather. Didn't help.

The real test will come when I try steel cut oats. I've been afraid to because I know it will be a disaster...

    Bookmark   February 14, 2012 at 10:19PM
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weissman

I actually find it kind of ironic that people are having issues with simmers on the CC (and Bluestar). Many on this forum look down on any but those ranges because of their high powered open burners but frankly the simmer that you get on a DCS (or Wolf) dual stacked burner is amazing and for the cooking that I do (which includes lots of stir fries), I'm happy to sacrifice a few thousand BTUs at the high end for the simmer at the low end. I don't need a Ferrari when the speed limit is 65 mph :-)

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 1:23AM
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tyguy

Weisman? Where are the bluestar simmer problems? I don't honestly ever recall one issue in the 4 or 5 years being on here. Simmer is NOT an issue on the bs.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 3:31AM
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mangiamo

Thank you everyone for your comments. I will start with a service call. I was hesitant because I am assuming that the tech coming out probably has never work on a CC. I know it is irrational but I am still in shell shock after some of the situations I bore witness to during this renovation. I will post after the tech comes. For now I will use indirect heat for the double griddles (turn back burner on only) and use an old cast iron spacer that came with my Miele combiset to raise the pots. It fits perfectly on the grates but doesn't really give enough buffer to tame the dragon. I would like to comment that the range is a beautiful unit and the performance of the range top for other cooking (like boiling pasta water) is exceptional. The oven itself has produced some wonderful results. The only thing I wasn't expecting was the length of time the fan stays on after we turn the oven off. Most evenings we eat in the kitchen and the fan doesn't turn off until the end of the meal. Only an issue for people who are sensitive to white noise. The same people who insist on quiet refrigerators.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 6:56AM
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Caddidaddy55

You must be talking about the fan to cool the panel. Mine never runs at all unless I use convection, then it only cycles intermittently, and has never kept running after the convection fan was turned off. I suspect your oven door is not sealing properly. Have them check that out when they come to adjust the burners. Is your range level? That could affect the way the door seals.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 8:02AM
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mangiamo

Thank you Caddidaddy 55. I never thought of that. Wow that will make a big difference. I find the sound of the fan is distracting when I am trying to enjoy dinner with my family.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 9:25AM
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weissman

tyguy - with regard to the Bluestar, the issue is that there is a special simmer burner - you don't get a low simmer on all the burners like you do on the DCS or Wolf

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 10:47AM
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tyguy

Weissman: my bad, I gotcha. :).

It should also be noted tho, that the 15k burners on the BS give very good simmer results as well.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 1:52PM
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tyguy

>because I am assuming that the tech coming out probably has never work on a CC. I know it is irrational but I am still in shell shock after some of the situations I bore witness to during this renovation

Not so irrational. There is a good chance that they have not, but the adjustment is something a first year apprentice could do with ease on any range.

As for some of the situations you have bore witness to during your renovation, I hear ya!!!! I was in the business for a long time and can not believe how many donkeys are out there not having a clue or a care of what they are doing.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 2:04PM
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billy_g

Breezygirl,

You're right, the simmer plates don't do much at all on a CC. Once they get hot almost all the heat transfers to the pot.

This kind works a little better, also available on Amazon.

Billy

Here is a link that might be useful: Flame Tamer

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 4:46PM
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breezygirl

Mangiamo--My Wolf oven fan runs for quite a while after use also. We don't yet have a kitchen table so we've been eating in the DR, which muffles the sound a bit thankfully. I've never had convection or wall ovens before so I was surprised at how loud they are. Would you please report back on the simmer after your service call?

Billy--Thanks for the link. I saw you post that when you were working to adjust your CC. I thought my plates would do the trick. I'll check out the Flame Tamer a bit more and need to order something small from Amazon anyway so could add to the order with that.

I'm sure my CC isn't as hot on simmer as yours used to be before your fix. I need to see if DH has the right screw driver in the garage for a DIY adjustment attempt. At least I don't have the annoying clicking.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2012 at 5:26PM
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mangiamo

In follow up to the fan issue I was advised that the cooling fan will run until the area around the latch gets down to 140 degrees. Perhaps I will try leaving the oven door open and have the exhaust fan on to help cool down the area.

I will post about the simmer issue after the tech comes in.

Thanks for all your comments.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2012 at 10:34AM
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mangiamo

Hello everyone

The service tech came by yesterday for the third call back. I am now officially the most labour intensive call he has ever had.

Joey from Capital sent out all new spark ignitors. The service tech installed them and the flames were adjusted as best he could. The flames appear to be lower (match head) but I can't report back until next week which is the first chance I will have to use the range again. Multiple problems with the reno have forced us out of the kitchen yet once again!

I did find it disheartening to see my beautiful range all taken apart with wires hanging out and panels rubbing against beautiful stainless. However she is mended and hopefully better for having survived the procedure.

I didn't want anyone to think that I have neglected to report back. I hoping to have good news next week.

MM

    Bookmark   April 17, 2012 at 6:13PM
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mangiamo

Hi everyone

It appears that the intensity of the heat is much lower. I was able to simmer both a tomato sauce and a cream sauce to my satisfaction. I don't think I could leave the sauce unattended for hours but I will try in the near future.

I was also able to use a cast iron skillet to make soft scrambled eggs this morning without scorching the eggs.

However... I still do get some clicking on two burners if I try to adjust the dial to the simmer setting mark. The actual intensity is less so I am able to simmer at mark 2 but the clicking still occurs if I try to go lower. One burner clicks continuously regardless of the setting (from lite to simmer). It didn't do this before the adjustment so I anticipate it is either a bad spark ignitor, a bad spark module or just a gremlin with a warped sense of humor. I will have the technician look at the clicking burner when he comes back to adjust the oven door. It was neccessary to remove the small oven door during the service call to replace the kickplate which had to be removed in order to instal the new spark modules. The small oven door is now skewed to one side and doesn't line up with the larger oven door.

Please let me know if you have any specific questions about the service calls. Some one has requested the original step wise instructions prepared by Capital to adjusting the simmer. I will post on Breezy's thread where the question was asked.

I appreciate everyone's support while trying to get the range to its optimum capabilities.

    Bookmark   April 22, 2012 at 7:35PM
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billy_g

Wow, so it was the new spark ignitors that allowed you to tame the heat???

Even with my simmer adjusted down low it was too hot for tomato sauce in a big cast iron pot tonight, so I moved the pot to my modified simmer burner and it was perfect. I could turn it down very low with no bubbles.

Billy

    Bookmark   April 22, 2012 at 9:25PM
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mangiamo

Hi Billy

It was actually the spark modules. The technician did also try to replace some spark ignitors during the second service call but it did not help with the intensity of the heat. The new spark modules are less sensitive so the technician was able to adjust the flame down before the clicking began.

MM

    Bookmark   April 22, 2012 at 9:36PM
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alexrander

Billy, I think your conversion is the way to go, I'm just curious if you would have a good enough simmer with the two inner rings working and only the outer ring plugged. I wish you would get your drill out and try that as an experiment!

I guess I think that would be a more practical burner for other people to use, if the simmer was low enough for you.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 12:00PM
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aliris19

Mangiamo - congratulations! It sounds as if we're in about the same range (no pun intended) now. But as if there's still room to go lower, sadly. I do hope Capital will move forward on their plans for this problem. They seem snowed under by just the efforts to get machines out there in the community functioning as they should have from out of the factory. Such a nuisance you have had to go through! But hopefully it's good-enough for now ... I'm hoping with continued gentle pressure we'll get an all-the-way fix soon.

Sorry about being booted from the kitchen again. Hopefully this too shall pass quickly.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 1:19PM
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mangiamo

Thank you aliris

I always look forward to your post - like a post card from a friend. Your support has been very much appreciated.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 2:28PM
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aliris19

:) likewise.

-from one squeaky wheel to another....

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 2:29PM
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billy_g

Mangiamo, that is great to know and really quite amazing. I wonder if that has been my problem all along. Shame on Capital.

Alexr, I've been interested in that too but I don't think I'll try it. If I did I would get a new burner cap and orifice which would take less time than drilling.

Billy

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 11:59PM
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mangiamo

Hello everyone

Technician is coming back tomorrow to fix oven door and burner that continuously clicks.

I have a lamb ragu in an All-Clad 8 quart stock pot. It is an hour in and appears to be simmering (high simmer, small bubbles breaking surface - as technical as I really want to get). I started on another burner but at simmer with no clicking it bubbled a little too intensely for me.

I will let the sauce simmer for several hours and monitor.

I have 8 burners but I think only one or two will be able to give me a lower intensity simmer. I am very happy and relieved to have achieved a simmer on these burners. It will allow me to use my range much more effectively for the way I cook.

Thank you to Capital for sending out all the new modules and to my service technician who has spent hours in order to achieve this for me.

    Bookmark   April 24, 2012 at 2:31PM
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breezygirl

That's great news, Mangiamo! Makes me even more suspicious of my service tech who said I didn't need to install the spark modules sent specifically for this reason.

Hope your oven door gets restored to perfect placement. Enjoy the lamb ragu!

    Bookmark   April 24, 2012 at 2:42PM
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mangiamo

Hi Breezy

I am so happy to hear from you. I hope all is well (aside from the interaction with your service technician).

I hope you are able to achieve an acceptable simmer soon. It definitely is possible with some patience and effort.

MM

    Bookmark   April 24, 2012 at 3:00PM
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shabmerch

Hello Mangiamo,

Can you advise me on how the fan situation was resolved for you? We just used our CC for the first time tonight, and the noise of the fan running after the oven was turned off, whilst we were having our meal was awful! (it was not the convection fan, but some other fan). We have an external blower, which is meaningless, given the very loud oven fan. How did the situation get resolved for you?

Thanks so much for your time,

    Bookmark   July 3, 2013 at 8:36PM
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mangiamo

Hello Shabmerch

I'm sorry it has taken so long to reply. I don't log in as often during the summer. I was told my fan issue is a normal function of the oven to cool down the controls. I have tried leaving the oven door ajar and running the convection fan to dissipate some of the heat. I also turn on the hood to high. I personally find it distracting because I am very sensitive to white noise. My husband and children find it less so. I'm sorry I don't have better news. If you discover a way to hasten the process please share!

Regard M

    Bookmark   August 11, 2013 at 7:29AM
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Jerry-mac

We just received our 48" culinarian a month ago. It comes with a 8" simmer burner, but I don't see the need for it. Any burner on simmer does a perfect simmer. I accidentally left a pan with a couple tbs of butter on the burner that I thought was off, but was actually on simmer. After about ten minutes, the butter had melted but not browned. So I would tell anyone with simmer problems to have the burners adjusted b/c the simmer works great.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2014 at 11:49PM
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pumpkinhouse

Anyone else with a recently purchased Capital that can comment on simmering? I'm wondering if they've addressed the issue since these older posts.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 1:52PM
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