Mystery antique plates/platters

jlc712April 2, 2010

I was given these beautiful plates by my MIL, and she got them from an estate on Long Island. They appear to be very very old, and hand painted. They are quite heavy. The two platters have been broken and professionally repaired with some type of staple, which makes me think they must have been quite special. They have a cream background, that has a lot of crazing, and gorgeous cobalt blue, rose, green, and gold painting. I have two plates, two platters,and two plates with deeper centers, which I suppose could actually be bowls. The only markings on the back are very tiny gold numbers, that look handpainted on. They read "4330" and I just couldn't get a good picture of the numbers because they are so tiny.

I know nothing about their age, what they're made of, or if they are worth anything. I think they are beautiful regardless. Any info appreciated!!

Jen

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lindac

Without any research ... my initial thoughts...
Early 19th century English ironstone....a Chinese or Japanese Imari wannabe.
I love the mends! I have an old Mason's teapot with a similar mend.
Again, no research, but perhaps a Mason's pattern? It's not hard paste stuff because of the discoloring....sort of has a gaudy Welsh look.
I don't think they are hand painted...I think transfer stuff....with hand done embellishments.
I love them!
Linda c

    Bookmark   April 2, 2010 at 9:03PM
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jlc712

Thanks Linda! I used those terms for lots of web searching, and I completely agree.

However...they don't have any marks as most Mason's seems to, and I didn't see the pattern. They also seem a little rougher/more primitive than a lot of the Mason's.

On the other hand, they seem to be more nicely done than the Gaudy ironstone I saw. They have tons of gold and cobalt, which apparently is more characteristic of Mason's.

Who knows? But it is very nice to have some idea what they are... Thanks!

Jen

    Bookmark   April 3, 2010 at 2:58AM
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lindac

Also could be Dutch....maybe Maastrich?...But as far as I know it TOO was always marked. And also as far as I know always transfer decorated....and I don't think it's as early as your plates. Maybe Gaudy dutch... I think it's finer stuff than the Gaudy Welsh...

    Bookmark   April 3, 2010 at 10:05AM
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cyn427

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think they might be Masons, Linda? Not challenging, just asking. Thanks.

    Bookmark   April 3, 2010 at 11:00AM
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lindac

Because I have remembered seeing pieces like the links below.
http://www.potteriesantiquecentre.com/psa/Auctions/N26_170307/Images/Large/10.jpg

http://www.dunleithdesigns.com/images/Masons%20dinner%20plates.jpg
Not saying it is for sure....but it has the look.
Linda C

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   April 3, 2010 at 11:33AM
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jlc712

Well, this is so close-- everything is very similar, except the center design--

I agreed that they looked a lot like some of the very early Mason's, but maybe not quite as fine. However, they do seem a lot nicer that most of the Gaudy ironstone.

Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

Here is a link that might be useful: Very similar Gaudy piece

    Bookmark   April 3, 2010 at 9:28PM
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younggold

I would look on replacements.com for these patterns. Since your pictures are fairly good you could also send them to one of their appraisers and locaters for assistance in finding out more about your pieces. they have always been wonderfully helpful.

Good luck on your quest!

    Bookmark   April 4, 2010 at 11:40AM
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Ideefixe

I think Replacements isn't really very good for anything this old.

    Bookmark   April 4, 2010 at 5:40PM
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